Rotation

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Onebearofpower
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Not even really talking about last game because of the unusual circumstances and two overtime periods but I don't understand why DJ doesn't get more minutes over TT. TT does some things well and he is young but DJ is currently a much better player overall right now and is one of the few players who can get to the basket and finish as well as drawing fouls. He also is a much better shooter as TT has a very flat shot which mixed with his already low release due to his height leads to him getting blocked a lot.

I also think that in some games the rotation probably needs to be shortened. Dorsey I think is often scared to shoot the ball and I think that makes him hard to play. Especially towards the end of a game (not the Syracuse game due to length) the bench should be shortened and the only subs should really be for Ilic if in foul trouble or maybe Bell and DJ. Other than that there shouldn't be almost any time in the last 10 minutes of a game where Pippen and Ames(and the other starters as well but esp them) aren't in. There should be no reason they can't play 35+ minutes in a game with all the TV timeouts. I know there have been games where they have played this long but I also know there have been games where I have thought that the rotation was to deep in a close game down the stretch.

I know Madsen has his reasons for it probably and I am not saying they are wrong, but I am not sure what they are and it is just something I have thought when watching and was curious if anyone else felt this way as well.
Big C
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Agree. I suspect Madsen sees TT as better at playing PG than DJ, but TT has kind of hit a wall. Campbell has played better than I expected ever since he came back from whatever injury he had. Reminds me a little of Gary Payton II.
Onebearofpower
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Yeah I don't know why he doesn't play more minutes. He honestly doesn't have many huge flaws in his game. He is a much improved shooter that can hit open shots, his defense is good, he can handle the ball, doesn't turn it over, and he can drive and draw fouls.
Jeff82
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You would have to move Ames to the point, which might make him a less effective scorer. Carr handles the ball well. He needs to fix his mechanics and shoot 1,000 jumpers a day in the off season.
Onebearofpower
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The thing is I don't really think he handles the ball all that well. He has a 23 percent TO rate in conference play. I think it would be possible to run DJ at the point I think he handles the ball better. His passing isn't special but comparable to TT. It would only be for a few minutes a game in theory. I think TT is a decent player as he is a good defender but his offensive rating is 80 in conf which is very low.
socaltownie
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Yeah - I didn't like the TT and Ames backcourt and once Pippen goes out I try to avoid that. I DO think that he is trying to limit the minutes were we have both Pippen and Cambell out there at the same time because if the other guys have ANY quickness?.....Blow by city baby!!! which theb exposes our front court to more fouls.



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socaltownie
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Onebearofpower said:

The thing is I don't really think he handles the ball all that well. He has a 23 percent TO rate in conference play. I think it would be possible to run DJ at the point I think he handles the ball better. His passing isn't special but comparable to TT. It would only be for a few minutes a game in theory. I think TT is a decent player as he is a good defender but his offensive rating is 80 in conf which is very low.

Agreed. At least he seems to be getting over his mental block at the FT lane. I was expecting 2 bad bricks.

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Onebearofpower
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Yeah I mean another thing is we could run a really big lineup with two bigs. Especially yesterday where we couldn't get a stop for almost the whole game. We honestly should have considered just walling up and conceding open 3s to their bad shooters since they scored like 80 percent on close twos.
socaltownie
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Onebearofpower said:

Yeah I mean another thing is we could run a really big lineup with two bigs. Especially yesterday where we couldn't get a stop for almost the whole game. We honestly should have considered just walling up and conceding open 3s to their bad shooters since they scored like 80 percent on close twos.

I just think they get a head of steam and abuse our slow feet and posterize us for and 1s all night.

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JimSox
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I saw ball handlers blow by Campbell on several occasions. On offense, though, he does make the three once in a while when open.
oskidunker
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Or just foulthem
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
Jeff82
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Bottom line is that our rotation at the 5 is pretty much rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Can't play zone, because that exacerbates our rebounding weakness. Kocanas and Dut are too slow and not skilled enough right now to play significant minutes. I think Sluggo is wrong about going small and playing Camden at the 5. He's not strong enough and will get in foul trouble. Illic is also limited, but he's played better as the season has gone along, mocking everyone who was dissing him earlier. If Dort or Yeanay can play, that would help a lot. A healthy roster probably would have won at least three more games than where we are, including Wednesday's. Bottom line is that Saturdan is the rubicon. A loss at BC probably bursts the bubble for good.
Onebearofpower
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Yeah I agree we have to win but the flame is far from put out as we are still right on the bubble and many people's FFO or first N4O. We just need to win games and hopefully other bubble teams will lose unlike Wed.
northbay
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I think Madson is doing a good job with the rotation given the lack of options. TT and Dejuan both getting around 15 mins is totally reasonable IMO.

TT has struggled in ACC play with TOs especially increasing and poor shooting.

But he pushes the ball up the court, has the 2nd highest ast% at 23.4% and is our best guard finisher at the rim at 58.6% (Ames 53.8%, Pippen 50%, Campbell 40%).

Campbell has been shooting well on very small sample sizes but doesn't create for others and gets tunnel vision easily.

And I think him & Ames together in the backcourt is our possible worst pairing (besides sitting both Ames and Pippen).
Bjorn91
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Campbell is basically a 6-2 Forward.
HoopDreams
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Campbell is fine off the bench

The problem are the centers. Milos is good for our second team, but we are in trouble when he starts especially because he can't get in foul trouble

Vs Syracuse the problem was Pippin was in foul trouble and then fouled out

That left Ames as our only player who could create his own shot
RedlessWardrobe
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Bjorn91 said:

Campbell is basically a 6-2 Forward.

That is currently true only by neccessity. We've got so little up front.
Civil Bear
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northbay said:



Campbell has been shooting well on very small sample sizes but doesn't create for others and gets tunnel vision easily.



^^This^^
calumnus
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RedlessWardrobe said:

Bjorn91 said:

Campbell is basically a 6-2 Forward.

That is currently true only by neccessity. We've got so little up front.

I think he means by nature and skillset.
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