Pretty common denominator in our losses

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6:25p, 2/28/26
The way to beat the bears is crowd our guards. Saw it against Louiseville and Clemon. Ditto Duke (though they are loaded). Cuse's strategy as well. Then you have your rim protector....protect the rim because you don't need to worry about our bigs having much (any?) mid range game. Oh and force Pippen right. He is so left dominant that he missed 2 layups by making it a lot more difficult on himself.
Take care of your Chicken
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6:40p, 2/28/26
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 7:05p, 2/28/26
westcoastdude said:
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.

Not losing games like today
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7:22p, 2/28/26
The turnovers were maddening

Is it just me or did the refs let Pitt get away with at least 10 fouls while calling normally against us?

Why didn't we play full court the whole game? They have 6 or 7 guys. We have enough depth we should've run them out of the gym and crush their weary asses late
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In reply to Strykur • 7:25p, 2/28/26
Strykur said:
westcoastdude said:
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.

Not losing games like today

But until today, we hadn't…. And it was the students last opportunity. If they weren't coming today, it is more than the team blowing an opportunity.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 7:46p, 2/28/26
westcoastdude said:
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.


What you mean to say is the attendance today was piss poor considering the stakes and day of the week. And yes I agree.
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In reply to Strykur • 7:48p, 2/28/26
Strykur said:
westcoastdude said:
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.

Not losing games like today

It's not even that. My peers don't even know there's a game today. They won't know we lost and they won't know what the loss means. Our marketing is so weak and needs to be addressed.
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10:09p, 2/28/26
I know marketing could be better, but when I was a student my friends and I didn't need marketing to get us to the games.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 10:26p, 2/28/26
westcoastdude said:
I know marketing could be better, but when I was a student my friends and I didn't need marketing to get us to the games.
There was a lot less competing for our attention back when we all went to games.
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In reply to 75bear • 10:53p, 2/28/26
That's a very good point. The internet era and mainly covid have messed with it so much that I legit can't get anyone to go to the games with me because they are always "busy" aka want to stay inside and on their phones. People wanna act like the have work all day everyday but they don't and the truth is the games or any social event used to force people out to do things if they wanted to rid of boredom but now they can do it on their own. I have been turned down for games by so many different people just this year it's honestly just sad. It's one thing to have a bad team or watch bad games it's another thing to have bad attendance.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 10:56p, 2/28/26
If you didn't need marketing you probably were going anyway if it's any time in the last 10-15 years . I don't need marketing I haven't needed marketing my whole life I was born into this cycle of misery. If you're talking pre internet I get that, I think it's an era thing mixed with a demographic thing, mixed with a more selective school thing that all combine to make it what it is(or lack there of) and of course team performance.
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6:59a, 3/1/26
To the point of this entire discussion, it's pretty sad when a school the size of the Cal student body needs "marketing" to influence attendance on a Saturday afternoon, last game of the season, ncaa tournament implications, and usually a very entertaining team to watch.

This kind of reasoning extends to the game day experience. Every timeout I either have to listen to piped in music, or that AJ guy going on about something that I don't give a sh*t about. That's our society today, so many people no longer have the ability to be spontaneous and engage in something without being told what to do.

When the AJ guy would start his instruction about "let's get loud", I looked around and the majority of the fans reacting to it were under 20 years old. Bring back the KJ or Kidd/Lamond days. You would go to a game and you didn't need all the fluff BS. Sorry about the rant.
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7:16a, 3/1/26
Three seasons ago, with the same poor marketing, Cal sold out the game versus a 9-13 USC team. This was obviously due to Bronny James and Cal's long history of playing USC.

The move to the ACC yields a schedule with most games against teams that Cal students and fans are not highly motivated to attend. There is no history of playing against a team like Pitt and a regional rivalry is non-existent. Only games against Duke, UNC and Stanford were well attended. Fans didn't even show up in numbers against a good Clemson team.

The ACC might be a better basketball conference than the old PAC-12, but that doesn't necessarily equate to a home schedule of games that is more attractive to many fans.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 7:19a, 3/1/26
westcoastdude said:
Three seasons ago, with the same poor marketing, Cal sold out the game versus a 9-13 USC team. This was obviously due to Bronny James and Cal's long history of playing USC.

The move to the ACC yields a schedule with most games against teams that Cal students and fans are not highly motivated to attend. There is no history of playing against a team like Pitt and a regional rivalry is non-existent. Only games against Duke, UNC and Stanford were well attended. Fans didn't even show up in numbers against a good Clemson team.

The ACC might be a better basketball conference than the old PAC-12, but that doesn't necessarily equate to a home schedule of games that is more attractive to many fans.

Again, you make some valid points but I can't completely buy it. If yesterday's game was against say Washington, or Oregon State, do you REALLY think it would have made much of a difference? I don't.
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In reply to Onebearofpower • 8:14a, 3/1/26
Onebearofpower said:
That's a very good point. The internet era and mainly covid have messed with it so much that I legit can't get anyone to go to the games with me because they are always "busy" aka want to stay inside and on their phones. People wanna act like the have work all day everyday but they don't and the truth is the games or any social event used to force people out to do things if they wanted to rid of boredom but now they can do it on their own. I have been turned down for games by so many different people just this year it's honestly just sad. It's one thing to have a bad team or watch bad games it's another thing to have bad attendance.

Unfortunately, this was often the case BEFORE Covid (and even before the interwebz). After over 40 years, the strongest correlations are:

1. Schedule (A LOOONG time ago, game schedule was much more predictable - i.e. Thursdays at 7pm)

2. Winning (it isn't the only thing, but it IS one of the bigger things)

3. Style of play (coaching - some schemes and attitudes are simply more fun to watch)
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8:55a, 3/1/26
"Fans" may have a tough time getting motivated to attend games with totally random starting times played between relatively poorly paid Berkeley Bears against any team from the All Comers Conference.

What's the point?
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In reply to Bobodeluxe • 9:19a, 3/1/26
Bobodeluxe said:
"Fans" may have a tough time getting motivated to attend games with totally random starting times played between relatively poorly paid Berkeley Bears against any team from the All Comers Conference.

What's the point?

Let me step in here.
"poorly paid Berkeley Bears" are still a better than average team this year with a decent amount of entertainment value. "poorly paid Berkeley Bears" have still been competitive in the ACC, let me see, I think they beat North Carolina, and look at the conference standings and half of the teams are below them.

More specifically, you are right to use "fans" in quotation marks. The reality is, there was a time when people would be attracted to go to see a D1 college basketball games because they were "basketball fans." When they went they weren't subject to 8 media timeouts that lasted over 3 minutes each. They didn't need some "mike guy" to tell them when to get loud, or all the annoying "entertainment" that's thrown at them during the timeouts. Hate to get philosophical, but this is a result of cell phones and internet, so many people can't think for themselves any more, they rely on "updates from their app." Okay, I'm out.
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In reply to RedlessWardrobe • 9:43a, 3/1/26
Why do we need all this crap?isnt tbe game entertaining enough? I hate the cell phone lights and the stupid paper airplanes
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9:54a, 3/1/26
Pretty sad state of affairs when sitting at home watching TikToks of random people getting matcha is more compelling than attending a D-1 basketball game. The smartphone, social media and Covid have won.

I have seen plenty of Cal Athletics content on TikTok and Instagram, so I don't think that the marketing of Cal Athletics is 100% of the culprit. The content is both Cal created and viral fan videos.
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10:07a, 3/1/26
I don't know why so many blame the students for poor attendance. They usually come late but they filled the entire sideline benches and close to 70% of the seats behind the basket. I also see students sit throughout Haas sitting with family or friends

Yesterday the entire sideline was STANDING the WHOLE game, and it got very loud at several times when Cal was making runs or with big plays.

I also saw the kids that Sebasta was able to get Cal to give free tix to sitting high in the corner

Of course they could do better, but it's the rest of the fans who need to come out.
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In reply to HoopDreams • 10:29a, 3/1/26
HoopDreams said:
I don't know why so many blame the students for poor attendance. They usually come late but they filled the entire sideline benches and close to 70% of the seats behind the basket. I also see students sit throughout Haas sitting with family or friends

Yesterday the entire sideline was STANDING the WHOLE game, and it got very loud at several times when Cal was making runs or with big plays.

I also saw the kids that Sebasta was able to get Cal to give free tix to sitting high in the corner

Of course they could do better, but it's the rest of the fans who need to come out.

Hoop dreams, I respectfully disagree.
Yesterday did you see how sparse the three sections behind the south end basket were?
Those sections are specifically designated for Cal Students.
The first 15 years at Haas, if there was a game as significant as yesterday's those three sections would have been completely full and even up higher if possible. The criticism isn't about the Cal students that attend the game, it's about the Cal students that don't attend. According to wikipedia, the current UCBerkeley student body consists of about 45,000 students. How many students were there yesterday? Hell, there used to be more students when we had Harmon Gym then we have today. Something is really screwed up.
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10:31a, 3/1/26
This is what the students' section behind the basket looked like with 3 minutes to go in the first half:

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In reply to RedlessWardrobe • 10:31a, 3/1/26
Mid terms
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In reply to RedlessWardrobe • 10:37a, 3/1/26
It has to be more than just "bad marketing" by the athletics department.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 10:42a, 3/1/26
westcoastdude said:
This is what the students' section behind the basket looked like with 3 minutes to go in the first half:


Thank you.
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In reply to oskidunker • 11:06a, 3/1/26
oskidunker said:
Mid terms

Does that mean cal's current student population has an increasing majority of students more interested and focused on their education than on sports?
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In reply to 3Cats4CAL • 11:32a, 3/1/26
If that is the case, does it make sense for campus to subsidize the athletic department with close to $50 million?
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In reply to oskidunker • 2:19p, 3/1/26
It's a Saturday. Everyone has two hours on a Saturday if they want to.
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In reply to westcoastdude • 2:47p, 3/1/26
westcoastdude said:
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.

"Wasn't great" is being charitable. If the Straw Hat Band hadn't been there, you wouldn't have even known it was the student section. Walking past Memorial Glade after the game, I'd say there were 2X as many students out catching the sun as were at the game. Just an observation.
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In reply to HearstMining • 3:53p, 3/1/26
HearstMining said:
westcoastdude said:
What will it take to get the students to show up consistently? The attendance today wasn't great.

"Wasn't great" is being charitable. If the Straw Hat Band hadn't been there, you wouldn't have even known it was the student section. Walking past Memorial Glade after the game, I'd say there were 2X as many students out catching the sun as were at the game. Just an observation.

Sometimes the weather is too bad to go to the game and sometimes it's too good. Not easy being a casual fan!
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