The alpha and omega of our political discontent

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socaltownie
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I really am starting to think that it starts and stops at the cost of housing ("The rent is too damm high"). CPI VASTLY underestimates that impact because of the way it is calculated. It disproportionately hits younger people (fixed rate mortgage holders perversely LOVE rising housing costs in the immediate term). It drives inflation in industries where a ton of the inputs are the cost of labor (healthcare, childcare, other services) as people need a place to live. It drives our homeless crisis in the sense that lack of cheap housing makes the social disfunction very public rather than mostly private.

And it is also a REALLY challenging problem to solve with lots of constraints and trade offs.

But I am near certain that you can not solve the "affordability" crisis that all the polling says is leading to voter crackiness without finding a way to bend the curve of housing cost.

BTW - IT really is ONLY supply. I have done the math for you. Over the past decade the ratio of "jobs to housing" in the state of California has gotten dramatically worse. In many of our metros 3.0+ net new jobs chasing every net new home. You don't need to be an economist to know that isn't sustainable. On this point I am not going to argue with you unless you bring real data to the table to show that supply has been sufficient. Your opinions about the ugly new apartment building near your boomer SFH suburbia is IRRELEVANT. Happy (and love) diving into the data but I will not engage or respond to the worst fo the Nimby crap. ;-)

PS. The WHY it has gotten worse is really interesting. That is worth discussing. But you and flat out wrong to say it hasn't.
concordtom
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Interesting thought.
Sure, if people have less they get disgruntled.

But I've also long said that expectations of prosperity plays a huge role!
Poor people today could be said to be far better off than the rich if yesteryear, so it's not the absolute standard of living but their expectations that matter!
And when you see high standards of living flashed in your face on TV (Robin Leach's "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous") all the time…

And then, of course, it doesn't help to have some madman barking clown show tell everyone they SHOULD be upset.

Leadership matters!
tequila4kapp
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The view from my home state of Oregon... housing permits are less than 1/2 the development needed. A similar story exists for multi-family dwellings (ie, apartments). Also note that lack of supply does not make the State's chief economist's Top 3 reasons for the affordability problem.

Note that we have a unique extra layer of government called "Metro" which is meant to get neighboring regions to work together on urban development. Basically, imagine urban development for the entire SF Bay area under the umbrella of this extra body. We have something called an Urban Growth Boundary - a line drawn around the urban region; development is only allowed inside the line; the goal is urban density over sprawl. I suspect it also contributes to our housing shortage...there just isn't that much available land to build on.
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https://www.hfore.com/city-of-portland-falling-66-short-of-permit-goals-in-2024/
According to the first annual Oregon Housing Needs Analysis by the Oregon Office of Economic Analysis, the State of Oregon is experiencing a severe housing shortage that requires the construction of about 29,500 new homes every year from 2024-2044.* A 2023 law required the housing needs study, which attempts to increase the state's power to set housing targets and hold communities responsible for building them.

In delivering the results to lawmakers on Monday, January 27, the Oregon chief economist Carl Riccadonna pointed out that although the 29,522 number is less than Governor Tina Kotek's executive order setting a goal of 36,000 homes, it far exceeds current permit or construction rates.

Oregon housing permits dropped from more than 20,000 in 2022 to less than 18,000 in 2023 and about 13,000 through November 2024. Nationally, housing affordability is at its lowest level since the 1980s, according to Riccadonna, who attributed the affordability crisis to three major macroeconomic factors:
  • Household income
  • Interest rates
  • Home/rent prices.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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Your Metro sounds like ABAG (Association of Bay Area Governments) in the Bay Area. I had a friend that worked for them from the 1970s until they retired. Https://abag.ca.gov

The housing shortage is significant over in my more rural part of eastern Oregon. Our town has been chronically short of available housing and it's been a problem as we draw people into the area for our new jobs (mainly drone testing related). There has been new housing built in the last few years and it's better than it was, but we could use several hundred more homes or apartments. Personally, it's been good because it's driven up the value of my house.
tequila4kapp
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Your Metro sounds like ABAG (Association of Bay Area Governments) in the Bay Area. I had a friend that worked for them from the 1970s until they retired. Https://abag.ca.gov

The housing shortage is significant over in my more rural part of eastern Oregon. Our town has been chronically short of available housing and it's been a problem as we draw people into the area for our new jobs (mainly drone testing related). There has been new housing built in the last few years and it's better than it was, but we could use several hundred more homes or apartments. Personally, it's been good because it's driven up the value of my house.

This is such a solid reminder...yeah, I need the market to remain tight and drive up prices for another few months until we sell
concordtom
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tequila4kapp said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Your Metro sounds like ABAG (Association of Bay Area Governments) in the Bay Area. I had a friend that worked for them from the 1970s until they retired. Https://abag.ca.gov

The housing shortage is significant over in my more rural part of eastern Oregon. Our town has been chronically short of available housing and it's been a problem as we draw people into the area for our new jobs (mainly drone testing related). There has been new housing built in the last few years and it's better than it was, but we could use several hundred more homes or apartments. Personally, it's been good because it's driven up the value of my house.

This is such a solid reminder...yeah, I need the market to remain tight and drive up prices for another few months until we sell

Where you thinking of moving to?
concordtom
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tequila4kapp said:

The view from my home state of Oregon... housing permits are less than 1/2 the development needed. A similar story exists for multi-family dwellings (ie, apartments). Also note that lack of supply does not make the State's chief economist's Top 3 reasons for the affordability problem.

Note that we have a unique extra layer of government called "Metro" which is meant to get neighboring regions to work together on urban development. Basically, imagine urban development for the entire SF Bay area under the umbrella of this extra body. We have something called an Urban Growth Boundary - a line drawn around the urban region; development is only allowed inside the line; the goal is urban density over sprawl. I suspect it also contributes to our housing shortage...there just isn't that much available land to build on.
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https://www.hfore.com/city-of-portland-falling-66-short-of-permit-goals-in-2024/
According to the first annual Oregon Housing Needs Analysis by the Oregon Office of Economic Analysis, the State of Oregon is experiencing a severe housing shortage that requires the construction of about 29,500 new homes every year from 2024-2044.* A 2023 law required the housing needs study, which attempts to increase the state's power to set housing targets and hold communities responsible for building them.

In delivering the results to lawmakers on Monday, January 27, the Oregon chief economist Carl Riccadonna pointed out that although the 29,522 number is less than Governor Tina Kotek's executive order setting a goal of 36,000 homes, it far exceeds current permit or construction rates.

Oregon housing permits dropped from more than 20,000 in 2022 to less than 18,000 in 2023 and about 13,000 through November 2024. Nationally, housing affordability is at its lowest level since the 1980s, according to Riccadonna, who attributed the affordability crisis to three major macroeconomic factors:
  • Household income
  • Interest rates
  • Home/rent prices.



I learned about the urban growth boundary about 20 years ago when we were thinking of moving to Portland.

What's your opinion of it.
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