The Fernando Mendoza Schism

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TonyTiger
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Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.
bencgilmore
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All those words and he's still not going to say 'Cal' on Monday night football
Big C
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I agree, Tiger, Cal should get a lot of the credit. What's more, Mendoza is a people-pleaser who seems to wish that Cal still loved him. We should embrace that and get in on the "partial credit".

He made a couple of major faux pas when he left. While I'll never forget that part, I'd be willing to sort of overlook it and make nice with him... because it's in Cal's interests.

(Heck, look at Ott trying to get back in good with us... )
socaltownie
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I am still not convinced he will ultimately be a franchise qb.
Take care of your Chicken
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bencgilmore said:

All those words and he's still not going to say 'Cal' on Monday night football


He should say "Butte College" at least once.
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TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.


Where is this from?!?!?!?
flounder
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TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.

why are yall so obsessed with this dude that transferred out of cal after like 19 starts?
okaydo
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flounder said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.

why are yall so obsessed with this dude that transferred out of cal after like 19 starts?



He has a great personality and nice smile.

Anarchistbear
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Nobody cares that Joe Burrow transferred to LSU from tOSU.
Big C
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Anarchistbear said:

Nobody cares that Joe Burrow transferred to LSU from tOSU.

When QB Devin Brown came here from tOSU, lots of posters were like, "Oooh, this is gonna be like Joe Burrow!"
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okaydo said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.


Where is this from?!?!?!?

Like every post on this board, boredom.
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socaltownie said:

I am still not convinced he will ultimately be a franchise qb.

If Mendoza stubs his toe, watch who will get the blame. It won't be IU. They'll turn their backs and claim that it's Cal's fault, as if their taking credit never happened.

Don't get me wrong. I hope he doesn't stub his toe. I just know human nature (some) and the vicious pro football business. And, the press. If there's any chance, even the remotest, that someone can avoid responsibility by blaming something on Cal, they will do it in a heartbeat.
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Look. Another Mendoza thread
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okaydo said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.


Where is this from?!?!?!?


Reads like an AI wrote it
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StillNoStanfurdium said:

okaydo said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.


Where is this from?!?!?!?


Reads like an AI wrote it



It looked like it was copy and pasted from an article. I was trying to determine if it was a Cal fan or non-Cal fan who wrote it.
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okaydo said:

StillNoStanfurdium said:

okaydo said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.


Where is this from?!?!?!?


Reads like an AI wrote it



It looked like it was copy and pasted from an article. I was trying to determine if it was a Cal fan or non-Cal fan who wrote it.

To me it has the AI written hallmarks of using bold formatting for emphasis, really confident writing style, a 3 part argument, and the overuse of the "not this, but that" trope. It's not a silver bullet and in many ways is just a clear, decent writing style (which is why AI got trained in that manner) but given the OP's use of AI elsewhere I have the feeling that it's an AI written response to a prompt asking about Cal's role in developing Mendoza or maybe even asking directly to make an argument for Cal being more critical in his development.
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bencgilmore said:

All those words and he's still not going to say 'Cal' on Monday night football


Yep.
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>That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.

I stopped reading here.

I am not sure what your point is, but this line killed your points credibility. Him being trained in the crucible of a ****ty offense didn't give him the chance to be good, it held him back. IU gave him the chance to not run for his life and longer than a 1 second descision.

I watched IU lose in the CFP two years ago. When the news broke in December that IU was going to pick him up, I texted my friend that IU was national champion.

I am not Nostradamus. IU had a great line. Cal had a HORRENDOUSLY bad oline. Anyone with any sense (and I mean this with all the shade possible to members of this community) could see he was a good QB that was being dragged down by an oline. IU had the team and no QB. Cal had the QB and no team. It was clear that he would plug in perfectly.

No one should get credit for such an easy plug and play. Not Cal, for sure.


You are trying to pretend that a terrible Cal team wasn't holding him down. What happens if he stays? What's Cals record? What's his draft stock?

The reality is he did well despite Cal. Cal staff and fans treated him as a "if we have to" the entire time he was at Cal. The coaching staff spent 8 games trying to test out the theory that he was the problem, not the offense.

Sorry, but Cal put more effort into NOT developing him than into developing him.
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BearSD said:

bencgilmore said:

All those words and he's still not going to say 'Cal' on Monday night football


He should say "Butte College" at least once.


I'd settle for "Kale" like Greg Papa pronounces it.
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside

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LunchTime said:

>That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.

I stopped reading here.

I am not sure what your point is, but this line killed your points credibility. Him being trained in the crucible of a ****ty offense didn't give him the chance to be good, it held him back. IU gave him the chance to not run for his life and longer than a 1 second descision.

I watched IU lose in the CFP two years ago. When the news broke in December that IU was going to pick him up, I texted my friend that IU was national champion.

I am not Nostradamus. IU had a great line. Cal had a HORRENDOUSLY bad oline. Anyone with any sense (and I mean this with all the shade possible to members of this community) could see he was a good QB that was being dragged down by an oline. IU had the team and no QB. Cal had the QB and no team. It was clear that he would plug in perfectly.

No one should get credit for such an easy plug and play. Not Cal, for sure.


You are trying to pretend that a terrible Cal team wasn't holding him down. What happens if he stays? What's Cals record? What's his draft stock?

The reality is he did well despite Cal. Cal staff and fans treated him as a "if we have to" the entire time he was at Cal. The coaching staff spent 8 games trying to test out the theory that he was the problem, not the offense.

Sorry, but Cal put more effort into NOT developing him than into developing him.

When Nando picked IU, I texted my law school roommate and IU alumnus that they got a good one. I didn't realize that they would become the national champions the following year, but I knew they were going to go pretty far. Nando may not have looked perfect at Cal, but that was significantly the fault of the unimaginative offense (including the porous OL) and game plan designed to cap Cal's offense under 30 points per game in keeping with Wilcox's preferred style.

One thing that needs to be mentioned in this thread is that Nando has credited much of his development and growth as a QB to Mike Pawlawski. For that reason, Cal is largely responsible for Nando's growth from a 2-star recruit to a Heisman winner, national championship game MVP, and likely first-round draft pick. But for Nando to have a long NFL career (or become a franchise QB in the NFL), he's going to have to keep developing. He'll need to find someone who can help him see the pro game the way Paws taught him so see the college game.
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okaydo said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.


Where is this from?!?!?!?

has some of the flourishes of AI--typical formulations.
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bencgilmore said:

All those words and he's still not going to say 'Cal' on Monday night football

brought back a memory of a fun moment, waay back in the day, fella claimed the U of Mars.
which, and this is true, at the time was nearly impossible to get into..
https://www.coflfootball.com/post/otis-sistrunk-from-the-cofl-to-the-university-of-mars
https://www.wtvm.com/2022/04/23/street-columbus-neighborhood-honorarily-named-after-otis-sistrunk/

^ aaand still not dead yet
sighned, not dead yet # funk trunk; i.c.e. too
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Mendoza was a good pull when we got him and he has never stopped developing. Wilcox knew it when he saw it. So did Cignetti. He has a lot of the tools necessary to be a dang good pro quarterback: high football IQ, determination and drive, excellent footwork. Arm and athletically better than common perception. Sky is the limit. Just needs to land in the right spot ….. and for the last 40 years that hasn't been the Raiders. Of course it could be worse …. like the Jets.
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I mean i don't have an issue with IU getting some credit for Fernando because Cignetti & co. have such a great developmental track record. I would say that the bigger difference though is that IU put him in a position to thrive. They had the infrastructure (system, coaching, talent, schedule, etc.) to help him showcase his ability. Even if he didn't grow at all from last season to this one he would have looked markedly improved for those reasons.

IU deserves credit for providing a landing spot where he could be a Heisman and national champion. And yes, he did grow as a Hoosier but we've also seen the plenty of times where a change of scenery in the offseason or midseason trade suddenly changes the narrative of a guy from someone who isn't conducive to winning into a champion - recently Anthony Davis in the NBA comes to mind as well as Darnold and Daniel Jones as QBs (although Jones obviously isn't a champion)
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flounder said:

TonyTiger said:

Fernando Mendoza's rise is one of the most compelling quarterback development stories in recent college football.
He arrived at University of California, Berkeley as a lightly regarded two-star recruit with little to no major offers. Four years later, he left as one of the most talked-about quarterbacks in the countryso valuable that programs from University of Miami to Indiana University competed aggressively for him.
But here's the issuethe credit narrative is being rewritten.
Mendoza was developed, educated, and refined at Cal. He completed his degree in just over three years, improved year after year, and built the foundation of his game in Berkeley. Everything he is todayhis poise, his command, his productionwas shaped there.
So when media outlets praise Mendoza, they are, whether they acknowledge it or not, praising Cal.
This isn't new. Cal has long been a quarterback factory, producing legends like Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers, and Jared Goff. Mendoza follows that lineagenot as a finished legend yet, but as the next product of that system.
And yet, after just a few months at Indiana, the narrative has shifted.
Suddenly, there are claims that Indiana "fixed" him. That Coach Curt Cignetti corrected his "happy feet." That Cal's offensive line somehow held him back.
But that raises an obvious question:
If Cal held him backhow did he produce such strong numbers here?
Those same "happy feet" critics point to are what allowed Mendoza to extend plays, escape pressure, and deliver clutch performancesincluding the kind of improvisation that defines modern elite quarterbacks. He didn't suddenly learn that in three months. He was doing it every game at Cal.
Let's be clear:
  • Cal took a chance on him when no one else would.
  • Cal developed him over four years.
  • Indiana inherited a finished product.
That's not an opinionthat's a timeline.
Even prominent voiceslike former Las Vegas Raiders quarterbacks on podcastsare now calling Mendoza a rare talent with a natural "it factor" and leadership presence.
But that "it factor" didn't appear overnight.
It wasn't built in a few months.
And it certainly wasn't created after he had already become one of the most polished quarterbacks in college football.
It was built at Cal.
This is what makes the situation a true schismnot about Mendoza's talent, which everyone agrees onbut about who deserves the credit for it.
Four years versus three months.
The answer should be obvious.

why are yall so obsessed with this dude that transferred out of cal after like 19 starts?

Seriously. AI would be embarrassed at how this post was constructed.
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