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That is some delicious salt.
Take care of your Chicken
Enjoyable. I really feel for those Blue Blood basketball programs and all of their struggles. Imagine having to fly across the country for a 2 game road trip almost EVERY OTHER SEASON.
OMG - how unfair is that, huh?
OMG - how unfair is that, huh?
BeachedBear said:
Enjoyable. I really feel for those Blue Blood basketball programs and all of their struggles. Imagine having to fly across the country for a 2 game road trip almost EVERY OTHER SEASON.
OMG - how unfair is that, huh?
First. It is such great salt.
Second, I DO get that. It is sorta like the salt we rightly cried about the decision that had us playing USC and UCLA every year while the other Pac12 north missed those and could feast up on the down years of the Mountain time zone schools. Carolina's goal is to get a 1-4 seed and that is hard when the SEC schools largely miss that. Less true though now that the B1G competitors are ALSO making those sorts of trips.
Take care of your Chicken
Reading the unc fan board, they give Cal no credit for the win. We are a bottom feeder and they say they should have won. My god Stanford lost by 30 to Duke, they should have never beat them waa waa waa,They should look at Cal and Stanfords over all records. The mighty Tar feet look to have a similar record.frankly, they looked terrible. Lets get some money together and get their center.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
BeachedBear said:
Enjoyable. I really feel for those Blue Blood basketball programs and all of their struggles. Imagine having to fly across the country for a 2 game road trip almost EVERY OTHER SEASON.
OMG - how unfair is that, huh?
All that travel time is a b****. This is why so many college basketball players eschew the NBA for careers in accounting.
Also if you watch the half time review, they are all north carolina apologists . Unbelievable. Once again, Cal given no credit.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
oskidunker said:
Also if you watch the half time review, they are all north carolina apologists . Unbelievable. Once again, Cal given no credit.
Yeah
it is the acc. But they could be a little less obvious Take care of your Chicken
To be fair we were 1-4 in the ACC going into this game, with 3 blowout losses. We have to earn respect in this league, and yesterday was a good start.
Lost to v tech 78-75
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
calumnus said:Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
Interesting that Stanford is ranked lower. You would think their wins against Louisville, UNC and even VT would help make up for the losses to Seattle and UNLV.
at least per NET ratings, stanfurd being 3-3 in quad 3 games is really hurting them.
bearfan93 said:
at least per NET ratings, stanfurd being 3-3 in quad 3 games is really hurting them.
Doesn't that fact tend to "roll off" depending on how thy do in their last ten or so games? Or that old thinking?
hmmm, i would have to look into that. I believe for bubble teams your Net 1 W/L can really help you, while not hurting you that much, so I assumed it didn't really "roll off" but I will try to get a more definite answer.
HKBear97! said:calumnus said:Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
Interesting that Stanford is ranked lower. You would think their wins against Louisville, UNC and even VT would help make up for the losses to Seattle and UNLV.
St. Louis in a neutral venue has also turned out to be a sneakily VERY good W for them.
We have no bad losses this year, which seems to be keeping us just above Stanford in these rankings.
Getting a W vs. Furd in Palo Alto would really help our resume.
This Forum often seems like someone with a gambling addiction… the last win at the table means you should double down because you're on a hot streak!
Until this team can string two good games together against quality teams all talk of March Madness should be put in the realm of "major long shot." UNC was encouraging but so far not the norm. We should focus only on crushing the Furd, and figuring out how to become better rebounders.
Until this team can string two good games together against quality teams all talk of March Madness should be put in the realm of "major long shot." UNC was encouraging but so far not the norm. We should focus only on crushing the Furd, and figuring out how to become better rebounders.
ManBearLion123 said:HKBear97! said:calumnus said:Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
Interesting that Stanford is ranked lower. You would think their wins against Louisville, UNC and even VT would help make up for the losses to Seattle and UNLV.
St. Louis in a neutral venue has also turned out to be a sneakily VERY good W for them.
We have no bad losses this year, which seems to be keeping us just above Stanford in these rankings.
Getting a W vs. Furd in Palo Alto would really help our resume.
While not a "bad" loss, our loss to Virginia Tech is why we are not ranked where they are or better.
People made too much of "looking bad" in losses to Louisville, Virginia and now Duke.
ManBearLion123 said:HKBear97! said:calumnus said:Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
Interesting that Stanford is ranked lower. You would think their wins against Louisville, UNC and even VT would help make up for the losses to Seattle and UNLV.
St. Louis in a neutral venue has also turned out to be a sneakily VERY good W for them.
Same with our win vs UCLA at a "neutral" venue I guess.
oskidunker said:
https://www.youtube.com/live/CeRs7laSZR8?si=6XaA8_nG2CATAOfP
When I compare the actual usable information contained in Rod's podcast about this game vs this drivel from these UNC guys, it's night and day. I realize that the two content pieces don't have the same formats or objectives towards their respective fanbases, but Rod gives pointed commentary and shows specific video examples. I come away from his podcasts with knowledge I didn't have before. These UNC guys come off more like two guys sitting in a bar after the game, well into their second pitcher of PBR. No insights to be shared, wallowing in the glory days of Dean Smith and Roy Williams. If you aren't going to be informative, at least be entertaining and they fail on both counts.
calumnus said:ManBearLion123 said:HKBear97! said:calumnus said:Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
Interesting that Stanford is ranked lower. You would think their wins against Louisville, UNC and even VT would help make up for the losses to Seattle and UNLV.
St. Louis in a neutral venue has also turned out to be a sneakily VERY good W for them.
We have no bad losses this year, which seems to be keeping us just above Stanford in these rankings.
Getting a W vs. Furd in Palo Alto would really help our resume.
While not a "bad" loss, our loss to Virginia Tech is why we are not ranked where they are or better.
People made too much of "looking bad" in losses to Louisville, Virginia and now Duke.
Maybe, but Cal was thoroughly outclassed versus Louisville, Virginia, and Duke. If you want to take the glass half-empty view, Cal's racked up wins against one of the nation's easiest OOC schedules, had a fortunate win against a mediocre Notre Dame team at home and simply managed to get hot from behind the arc (54%!) against a clearly slumping UNC team, again at home.
I would like to believe Call will surprise on the upside, but having followed the Bears for so long, the more sensible approach is to hope for the best while expecting the worst. Either way, exciting to still be interested in the team this far into the season - first time in about ten years!
HKBear97! said:calumnus said:ManBearLion123 said:HKBear97! said:calumnus said:Strykur said:JimSox said:oskidunker said:
Lost to v tech 78-75
The three blowout losses are Duke, Virginia and Louisville
We still have tons of work to do to even climb into the upper half of the ACC and it's gonna get crowded
The ACC in NET:
2 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
29 North Carolina
31 Miami
33 SMU
34 NC State
54 Virginia Tech
57 Wake Forrest
59 Cal
69 Furd
75 Syracuse
78 Notre Dame
114 Pitt
134 Florida State
141 Georgia Tech
165 Boston College
ACC in Ken Pom
3 Duke
14 Virginia
16 Louisville
25 Clemson
30 NC State
31 Miami
35 SMU
36 North Carolina
57 Virginia Tech
61 Wake Forrest
69 Syracuse
74 Cal
75 Notre Dame
76 Stanford
96 Pitt
112 Florida State
127 Georgia Tech
149 Boston College
The NET rankings are going to continue to favor the ACC. Right now 8 teams could make the NCAA Tournament. Cal is #11 or #12 and needs to beat everyone behind us and a few more of the teams ahead of us.
Interesting that Stanford is ranked lower. You would think their wins against Louisville, UNC and even VT would help make up for the losses to Seattle and UNLV.
St. Louis in a neutral venue has also turned out to be a sneakily VERY good W for them.
We have no bad losses this year, which seems to be keeping us just above Stanford in these rankings.
Getting a W vs. Furd in Palo Alto would really help our resume.
While not a "bad" loss, our loss to Virginia Tech is why we are not ranked where they are or better.
People made too much of "looking bad" in losses to Louisville, Virginia and now Duke.
Maybe, but Cal was thoroughly outclassed versus Louisville, Virginia, and Duke. If you want to take the glass half-empty view, Cal's racked up wins against one of the nation's easiest OOC schedules, had a fortunate win against a mediocre Notre Dame team at home and simply managed to get hot from behind the arc (54%!) against a clearly slumping UNC team, again at home.
I would like to believe Call will surprise on the upside, but having followed the Bears for so long, the more sensible approach is to hope for the best while expecting the worst. Either way, exciting to still be interested in the team this far into the season - first time in about ten years!
The way I look at it is if Cal plays about as well as they have been playing we will finish about where we are which is 12th, #59 NET and outside of bubble territory. Sure, getting outclassed by Duke, Louisville and Virginia confirms that.
However, if we start playing better, especially if Camden and Bell start scoring again, I think we can beat a lot of the teams left on our schedule. Only Clemsen is ranked and we have them at home. SMU is at Haas too. Miami on the road will be tough. And Syracuse and Wake on the road will be as tough as VT, which we easily could have won. We skip NC State. The other teams are ranked lower than us now.
The point being, if we start playing better against the weaker competition, it won't matter whether we looked good or bad in our losses to Duke, Virginia, and Louisville.
UNC blew out ND by 22, I guess that's good for us.
calumnus said:
However, if we start playing better, especially if Camden and Bell start scoring again, I think we can beat a lot of the teams left on our schedule.
This may be the biggest "if" of the season. What would give us a reason to think that these two will go from disappointments to shooting stars, just the last game?
UNC is 12-0 at home, 1-3 on the road. #27 in the NET, our win must not have helped them there...
barsad said:calumnus said:
However, if we start playing better, especially if Camden and Bell start scoring again, I think we can beat a lot of the teams left on our schedule.
This may be the biggest "if" of the season. What would give us a reason to think that these two will go from disappointments to shooting stars, just the last game?
Reason, you say? C'mon, we're Cal fans. We desperately cling to any hope, no matter how faint.
Bell made ONE THREE against North Carolina.
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oskidunker said:
Bell made ONE THREE against North Carolina.
He was fouled and hit all 3 of his FTs
It's nice to have him on the court if other teams are trying to foul us
HoopDreams said:oskidunker said:
Bell made ONE THREE against North Carolina.
He was fouled and hit all 3 of his FTs
It's nice to have him on the court if other teams are trying to foul us
Beyond the arc, Bell can go 5-for-8 or 1-for-8 in any given game. (true of anybody, of course, but he seems to run particularly hot or cold) Camden is streaky, too. Let's see how they do the rest of the season.
Big C said:HoopDreams said:oskidunker said:
Bell made ONE THREE against North Carolina.
He was fouled and hit all 3 of his FTs
It's nice to have him on the court if other teams are trying to foul us
Beyond the arc, Bell can go 5-for-8 or 1-for-8 in any given game. (true of anybody, of course, but he seems to run particularly hot or cold) Camden is streaky, too. Let's see how they do the rest of the season.
I've contended that Bell, Camden, and Ames may all be having some problems adjusting to the bigger, faster ACC opponents, compared to the the generally cream puff preseason teams. I thought that, since they all had previous ACC experience, they'd be able to handle the pressure, but I maybe they don't practice against tough enough defenders. That's where players at the Dukes of the world benefit - they practice against 4-star players.
HearstMining said:Big C said:HoopDreams said:oskidunker said:
Bell made ONE THREE against North Carolina.
He was fouled and hit all 3 of his FTs
It's nice to have him on the court if other teams are trying to foul us
Beyond the arc, Bell can go 5-for-8 or 1-for-8 in any given game. (true of anybody, of course, but he seems to run particularly hot or cold) Camden is streaky, too. Let's see how they do the rest of the season.
I've contended that Bell, Camden, and Ames may all be having some problems adjusting to the bigger, faster ACC opponents, compared to the the generally cream puff preseason teams. I thought that, since they all had previous ACC experience, they'd be able to handle the pressure, but I maybe they don't practice against tough enough defenders. That's where players at the Dukes of the world benefit - they practice against 4-star players.
Ok, this is just scoring but against our 2 tougher OOC and ACC opponents:
Ames
Kansas State 25
UCLA 14
Louisville 11
Notre Dame 23
Virginia 18
Virginia Tech 21
Duke 8
North Carolina 19
Had on off game against a great Duke team, but is doing fine against ACC competition.
Dort
Kansas State 10
UCLA 3
Louisville 12
Notre Dame 4
Virginia 0
Virginia Tech 10
Duke 14
North Carolina 7
Got skunked by Virginia. Had his best scoring game against Duke
Bell
Kansas State 27
UCLA 22
Louisville 20
Notre Dame 15
Virginia 0
Virginia Tech 12
Duke 5
North Carolina 6
Just looks like a slump. Scored 27 on K State, 22 on UCLA and 20 on Louisville. So it is not really a function of "the ACC." He just needs his mojo back.
Pippen
Kansas State 14
UCLA 13
Louisville 17
Notre Dame 14
Virginia 17
Virginia Tech 11
Duke 10
North Carolina 19
Pretty consistent, had his best game against UNC.
Camden
Kansas State 5
UCLA 5
Louisville 3
Notre Dame 3
Virginia 15
Virginia Tech 2
Duke 11
North Carolina 20
Like Bell, Camden was slumping, but good games against Virginia, Duke (relatively) and North Carolina indicate it isn't the competition and he may be out of it.
So IMO, it isn't the competition, we just need Bell to break out of his shooting slump as it appears that Camden finally broke out of his. If he does, we are a demonstrably better team that can tighten our rotation and beat good teams.
Just my opinion, based on what I've seen this season I don't think Bell is in a "shooting slump." Simply put, in the games that he has struggled in this season, the opposing team has decided to play him tighter even when he is not possessing the ball. Chris is a great catch and shoot shooter when he has space to do so but like so many he needs an extra split second in time to do it. Bottom line, its up to Madsen to determine early in a given game if Cal's opponent will be willing to leave Chris alone to double someone else. If not, keep him far outside and open driving lanes for Pippen, Ames, and even Carr.
Red's on target, it's not a slump when these two go cold, it's just better defense against them AND, something every hoops fan knows, if you have no inside game for the other team to worry about, you'll handicap your outside game.
Dort and Kocanas just haven't been able to establish that. Not saying they're not giving their all, it's a talent issue.
I was just watching Michigan's Aday Mara (7'3" 255 lb)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5174983/aday-mara
dominate against Ohio St., and thought, "If Cal could just find a center (supposed to be Madsen's specialty as a big man himself), we could win 5-10 more games a season."
But the real reason to get a threat inside the key is to let our shooters shoot free of their pulled defenders,
A center with hands and quickness (I know a … ahem … tall order) has to be a priority for next season.
Dort and Kocanas just haven't been able to establish that. Not saying they're not giving their all, it's a talent issue.
I was just watching Michigan's Aday Mara (7'3" 255 lb)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5174983/aday-mara
dominate against Ohio St., and thought, "If Cal could just find a center (supposed to be Madsen's specialty as a big man himself), we could win 5-10 more games a season."
But the real reason to get a threat inside the key is to let our shooters shoot free of their pulled defenders,
A center with hands and quickness (I know a … ahem … tall order) has to be a priority for next season.
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