This isn't looking good moving forward. Anyone else have any additional info?
Lee Out Again
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Last: 1 mo ago by BC Calfan
No additional info but I doubt we will see him in the regular season
Yeah I'm kinda recognizing the pattern and suspect he's gone for some time.
Same pattern as Rytis
I thought Rytis was announced out for the year a few weeks ago?
So the Ilic-Kocanas-Dut debate starts at 5.... j/k
So the Ilic-Kocanas-Dut debate starts at 5.... j/k
Yes but after a couple of weeks of just not saying anything about the severity of his injury
kc1121 said:
I thought Rytis was announced out for the year a few weeks ago?
So the Ilic-Kocanas-Dut debate starts at 5.... j/k
Wow, I certainly don't want to go there again. I'm hoping Ilic steps up, and I really think Dut can be effective for minutes in a specific situation.
Duuuuuuuuuut!! I'm practicing for his next monster block. More Dut, less Kocanas.
barsad said:
Duuuuuuuuuut!! I'm practicing for his next monster block. More Dut, less Kocanas.
I honestly believe that used correctly this hustling guy can help us.
barsad said:
Duuuuuuuuuut!! I'm practicing for his next monster block. More Dut, less Kocanas.
Agreed. Maximize Ilic with Dut as the primary backup.
RedlessWardrobe said:barsad said:
Duuuuuuuuuut!! I'm practicing for his next monster block. More Dut, less Kocanas.
I honestly believe that used correctly this hustling guy can help us.
I think he's kind of like Campbell in that he can really make a positive difference in short bursts but over a long period of time, his flaws would become more evident and exploitable...and he'd have a negative overall impact.
MM sounded positive about him returning during the post game press conference
MiZery said:
MM sounded positive about him returning during the post game press conference
Pretty sure that was intended for the Clemson staff. Lots of tape with Dort out there. SO instead of the Clemson staff preparing what to with him OUT of the lineup (Cal plays differently on both ends of the court without DORT), here's hoping they don't.
BeachedBear said:MiZery said:
MM sounded positive about him returning during the post game press conference
Pretty sure that was intended for the Clemson staff. Lots of tape with Dort out there. SO instead of the Clemson staff preparing what to with him OUT of the lineup (Cal plays differently on both ends of the court without DORT), here's hoping they don't.
I haven't noticed any real difference in either the offense or defense scheme with Dort vs. Ilic. They are each better at different things, but there's no shortage of tape available for Ilic to scout his relative strengths/weaknesses. I'd say that Madsen is being completely honest here--it might just be really hard to know when certain injuries might heal sufficiently. Muscle strains are like that, for example. They can be really hard to image or to measure the improvement and may feel semi-ok to the player on some days, but tender on others (and not that I know anything about the nature of Dort's injury, we did all see the exact moment it happened, so can at least rule out a twisted ankle...)
Anyway, as others have said, Ilic had a much better game last night. So here's hoping that it's a permanent step forward.
Takeaways from the Ga Tech win…
- Our interior defense has to improve dramatically, they schooled us inside. And no, it's not "without Dort we have nothing inside," we need to get over it, I don't see him returning.
- Our backcourt pair (DaiPip) and shooting pair (CamBell, hold the DeJuan) are the backbone of the offense. We have no other way of scoring. Game plans should shift back and forth between those pairs depending on what kind of defense the other side shows.
- We have to stop looking like a JV team when the other side presses. Drill it in practice, other teams smell this weakness and can watch a bunch of tape that shows turnover after turnover.
Can we beat a quality ranked team like Clemson? We did it to UNC, we can do it to them. Go Bears!
P.S. Just to stir up the octogenarians, I don't miss Dort.
- Our interior defense has to improve dramatically, they schooled us inside. And no, it's not "without Dort we have nothing inside," we need to get over it, I don't see him returning.
- Our backcourt pair (DaiPip) and shooting pair (CamBell, hold the DeJuan) are the backbone of the offense. We have no other way of scoring. Game plans should shift back and forth between those pairs depending on what kind of defense the other side shows.
- We have to stop looking like a JV team when the other side presses. Drill it in practice, other teams smell this weakness and can watch a bunch of tape that shows turnover after turnover.
Can we beat a quality ranked team like Clemson? We did it to UNC, we can do it to them. Go Bears!
P.S. Just to stir up the octogenarians, I don't miss Dort.
barsad said:
Takeaways from the Ga Tech win…
- Our interior defense has to improve dramatically, they schooled us inside. And no, it's not "without Dort we have nothing inside," we need to get over it, I don't see him returning.
- Our backcourt pair (DaiPip) and shooting pair (CamBell, hold the DeJuan) are the backbone of the offense. We have no other way of scoring. Game plans should shift back and forth between those pairs depending on what kind of defense the other side shows.
- We have to stop looking like a JV team when the other side presses. Drill it in practice, other teams smell this weakness and can watch a bunch of tape that shows turnover after turnover.
Can we beat a quality ranked team like Clemson? We did it to UNC, we can do it to them. Go Bears!
P.S. Just to stir up the octogenarians, I don't miss Dort.
Honestly how do you not miss Dort? He is defensive shot blocking anchor who is our best rebounder and plays above the rim. He completely expands the P&R game and can occasionally score inside. He isn't a perfect player but he definitely is a positive player for our team. I agree with what you said about the scoring I think having a pair of scorers in at all times is important.
barsad said:
Takeaways from the Ga Tech win…
- Our interior defense has to improve dramatically, they schooled us inside. And no, it's not "without Dort we have nothing inside," we need to get over it, I don't see him returning.
- Our backcourt pair (DaiPip) and shooting pair (CamBell, hold the DeJuan) are the backbone of the offense. We have no other way of scoring. Game plans should shift back and forth between those pairs depending on what kind of defense the other side shows.
- We have to stop looking like a JV team when the other side presses. Drill it in practice, other teams smell this weakness and can watch a bunch of tape that shows turnover after turnover.
Can we beat a quality ranked team like Clemson? We did it to UNC, we can do it to them. Go Bears!
P.S. Just to stir up the octogenarians, I don't miss Dort.
Okay, just for everyone's sake answer this question:
Witholding the fact that the guy is injured - would you rather see the Bears play the rest of the season with him or without him? Inquiring minds want to know!
Onebearofpower said:barsad said:
Takeaways from the Ga Tech win…
- Our interior defense has to improve dramatically, they schooled us inside. And no, it's not "without Dort we have nothing inside," we need to get over it, I don't see him returning.
- Our backcourt pair (DaiPip) and shooting pair (CamBell, hold the DeJuan) are the backbone of the offense. We have no other way of scoring. Game plans should shift back and forth between those pairs depending on what kind of defense the other side shows.
- We have to stop looking like a JV team when the other side presses. Drill it in practice, other teams smell this weakness and can watch a bunch of tape that shows turnover after turnover.
Can we beat a quality ranked team like Clemson? We did it to UNC, we can do it to them. Go Bears!
P.S. Just to stir up the octogenarians, I don't miss Dort.
Honestly how do you not miss Dort? He is defensive shot blocking anchor who is our best rebounder and plays above the rim.
Nope on the blocks. 1.0 per game is the same as Ilic, the best centers in the NCAAs have 2-3 blocks, the 50th best blocker is at 1.8.
Nobody said he's not a "positive" influence through sheer size in the paint, but he's tied for 96th in rebounds (not exactly king of the mountain). I like that he's worked hard this season and he's marginally quicker than last year, but the team definitely plays better when the paint is left open for Pippen and Ames drives. Dort's quick-to-foul-out default changes game strategy and gives the other team points at the stripe.
So no, in answer to Red's question, it's not an automatic yes we want him back.
Interesting take that based on other four guys the offense works better with the center up high. But despite any type of stats, the eye test says Lee is better than Milos on the defensive end. Bottom line, as a team having Lee and Milos both definitely puts us in a better situation.
RedlessWardrobe said:
Interesting take that based on other four guys the offense works better with the center up high. But despite any type of stats, the eye test says Lee is better than Milos on the defensive end. Bottom line, as a team having Lee and Milos both definitely puts us in a better situation.
Absolutely. Ilic has really improved and it is now actually debatable who is better between he and Dort (I still think it is Dort). However, there is no doubt we are better with both, especially because Kocanas is such a liability. However, Dut has played really well, and in fact is our best rated player in conference play per minute. Now, certainly a factor may be small sample size, but he clearly is deserving of getting all the reserve minutes behind Ilic. It would be great to get Dort back and be able to go big at times or at least have our bigs not have to worry about foul trouble.
With him. I can easily see games with both Ilic and Dut getting in foul trouble moving forward. That will limit what we do. We just don't seem deep enough this year to have both Petraitis and Dort go out for the season with injuries. Ilic has pleasantly developed into a serviceable backup imho but he is still foul prone.
sorry, I don't care what the box score says
Dort is far and away our best center
Milos is solid but there is a big drop off
The other thing is rotation
With Dort:
1. Dort
2. Milos
Without Dort:
1. Milos
2. Mantas
3. Dut
Dort is far and away our best center
Milos is solid but there is a big drop off
The other thing is rotation
With Dort:
1. Dort
2. Milos
Without Dort:
1. Milos
2. Mantas
3. Dut
I think Kocanas is a loose cannon...don't like his attitude at all...not good for the rest of the team either..
A few weeks back we had to hear about Campbell's "bad attitude",(how did that play out?) and now its Kocanas. Where do you guys get this unsubstantiated stuff?
The issue with Kocanas isn't his attitude. The issue is he doesn't appear to have any type of athleticism to be playing in a Division 1 game. To understate it, he is a "work in progress." But don't bring up attitude unless you can verify it.
The issue with Kocanas isn't his attitude. The issue is he doesn't appear to have any type of athleticism to be playing in a Division 1 game. To understate it, he is a "work in progress." But don't bring up attitude unless you can verify it.
RedlessWardrobe said:
A few weeks back we had to hear about Campbell's "bad attitude",(how did that play out?) and now its Kocanas. Where do you guys get this unsubstantiated stuff?
The issue with Kocanas isn't his attitude. The issue is he doesn't appear to have any type of athleticism to be playing in a Division 1 game. To understate it, he is a "work in progress." But don't bring up attitude unless you can verify it.
I don't think it is "you guys". Just one troll. Personally, I've not observed any attitude issues at all. Enjoying this season so much more compared to the last 7-8 years. And even in the past, attitude issues were usually more reflective of the staff, not the player.
I also find it 'telling' when posters seem more fixed on 'being right', 'I told you so', 'collecting receipts' and other bs that only reveals their personal insecurities.
But such is the nature of online existence, hehehehe
BeachedBear said:RedlessWardrobe said:
A few weeks back we had to hear about Campbell's "bad attitude",(how did that play out?) and now its Kocanas. Where do you guys get this unsubstantiated stuff?
The issue with Kocanas isn't his attitude. The issue is he doesn't appear to have any type of athleticism to be playing in a Division 1 game. To understate it, he is a "work in progress." But don't bring up attitude unless you can verify it.
I don't think it is "you guys". Just one troll. Personally, I've not observed any attitude issues at all. Enjoying this season so much more compared to the last 7-8 years. And even in the past, attitude issues were usually more reflective of the staff, not the player.
I also find it 'telling' when posters seem more fixed on 'being right', 'I told you so', 'collecting receipts' and other bs that only reveals their personal insecurities.
But such is the nature of online existence, hehehehe
You're right, my bad for using the term "you guys." It justs bugs me when someone thinks they can evaluate a person's attitude without even knowing them. Talk basketball here, cut the "Enquirer" bs.
RedlessWardrobe said:
A few weeks back we had to hear about Campbell's "bad attitude",(how did that play out?) and now its Kocanas. Where do you guys get this unsubstantiated stuff?
The issue with Kocanas isn't his attitude. The issue is he doesn't appear to have any type of athleticism to be playing in a Division 1 game. To understate it, he is a "work in progress." But don't bring up attitude unless you can verify it.
Agreed. The lack of talent gets him pulled quickly and the body language is probably where one reads attitude..Doesn't "seem" happy at all how he is being handled and that is not good.
We're better defensively with Dort, and it has looked to me this year that Madsen has convinced the team of the idea that shooting comes and goes, but you can always play tough defense. It's just that much tougher without a real rim protector, so without Dort, we're much more dependent on outscoring the other team.
But Illic has played well, partly because his basketball IQ is high. He's good on the pick-and-roll, because he always rolls by turning toward the ball handler he's screened for, making himself available for the pass, and forcing the defense to account for him. That's something of a lost art among college big men, IMHO. He also can open up the defense by being able to shoot from distance, forcing the other team to come out on him if he's making them. But I don't think that offsets the defensive and rebounding weakness having to play him a lot of minutes creates. I hope Dort gets back soon.
But Illic has played well, partly because his basketball IQ is high. He's good on the pick-and-roll, because he always rolls by turning toward the ball handler he's screened for, making himself available for the pass, and forcing the defense to account for him. That's something of a lost art among college big men, IMHO. He also can open up the defense by being able to shoot from distance, forcing the other team to come out on him if he's making them. But I don't think that offsets the defensive and rebounding weakness having to play him a lot of minutes creates. I hope Dort gets back soon.
Equal opportunity: Cal WBB has Langarita and MBB has Kocantas.
3Cats4CAL said:
Equal opportunity: Cal WBB has Langarita and MBB has Kocantas.
Langarita is better than Kocantas
HoopDreams said:3Cats4CAL said:
Equal opportunity: Cal WBB has Langarita and MBB has Kocantas.
Langarita is better than Kocantas
It's hard to tell for sure watching them, they both possess lightning speed.
RedlessWardrobe said:HoopDreams said:3Cats4CAL said:
Equal opportunity: Cal WBB has Langarita and MBB has Kocantas.
Langarita is better than Kocantas
It's hard to tell for sure watching them, they both possess lightning speed.
Claudia understands the game, can pass, and doesn't get pushed around. A few years ago when she was healthy she shot .494 overall and .333 on threes. I think Ilic would be a better comparison.
Hes made one three. Was very hesitantbto shoot in the last game but he now makes free throws. Thats something
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
Dort still OUT on preliminary injury report from tonight.
This was mentioned in an article on the other site:
Earlier in the week, Cal reported that Lee Dort will be out for another couple weeks as he continues his recovery. A reasonable target for his return is the home game against Stanford on February 21st
Earlier in the week, Cal reported that Lee Dort will be out for another couple weeks as he continues his recovery. A reasonable target for his return is the home game against Stanford on February 21st
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