socaltownie said:

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Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.

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So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

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Golden One said:

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socaltownie said:

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Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.

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So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

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Not at all

But what is WORSE is threatening billions in federal support (NIH, NSF, Pell Grants, you name it) an coercing a university to follow an order that is likely to be found illegal for which THEY will be liable to the aggreveed player .

Read the order, the enforcement mechanism is the $$ that would be cut off if the universities don't follow this order.

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Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

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socaltownie said:

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Golden One said:

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socaltownie said:

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Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.

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So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

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Not at all

But what is WORSE is threatening billions in federal support (NIH, NSF, Pell Grants, you name it) an coercing a university to follow an order that is likely to be found illegal for which THEY will be liable to the aggreveed player .

Read the order, the enforcement mechanism is the $$ that would be cut off if the universities don't follow this order.

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Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

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Ergo why i want yhe courts to stop ot

calumnus said:

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Golden One said:

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Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

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Exactly, this puts universities between a rock and a hard place.

If Trump really wanted to do something about this he would convene a bipartisan commission to draft a law that could get through Congress and he would sign.

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He's sort of done that with his "Saving College Sports Roundtable" a few weeks ago that included Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, the NCAA president, Speaker Johnson, and a couple dozen others. This has led to the creation of 5 separate committees on legislation, rules, NCAA reform, media and player issues. I seriously doubt that anything will get done thru this Congress, though.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/48387866/executive-order-limits-ncaa-athletes-five-years-one-transfer

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calumnus said:

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Golden One said:

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Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

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Exactly, this puts universities between a rock and a hard place.

If Trump really wanted to do something about this he would convene a bipartisan commission to draft a law that could get through Congress and he would sign.

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He's sort of done that with his "Saving College Sports Roundtable" a few weeks ago that included Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, the NCAA president, Speaker Johnson, and a couple dozen others. This has led to the creation of 5 separate committees on legislation, rules, NCAA reform, media and player issues. I seriously doubt that anything will get done thru this Congress, though.

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You can't do something like this by executive order. Agree Congress won't do anything, but that is the gridlock that is our government. This will get thrown out.

I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

wifeisafurd said:

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I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

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Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).

He said bipartisan. Not Ted Cruz and Ron Desantis

socaltownie said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

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Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).

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You are missing the point. If the White House coerces the universities into breaking the antitrust laws by withholding funds if they don't break the laws, it will still be the universities that are sued by the student athletes and will pay the (potentially treble) damages.

It is not a solution. It just puts the universities in a terrible position. It is not like the universities wanted the current situation and need to be coerced to have things go back to the way they were. The universities liked the old system. The Supreme Court (unanimously) ruled it was illegal. The law needs to be changed and that is done through Congress, not presidential fiat or coercion.