It is terrifying. When you dive into it (serioulsy you magaheads, give it a read) you see that what they are arguing is that the President has the sole power to determine "And under the jurisdiction" clause.

That is NOT a far slippery slope (thank you US history) to saying that Jews and Catholics do not give their full allegiance to the US (or JD Vance's Blood citizenship argument about those whose relatives were here in 1860 are "more" americans than others.

I know. Trump derangement syndrom. But we also were not supposed to go to war ona whim.

Anarchistbear said:

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It's the Rule of Law

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Fascism always is

Marco Rubio is a U.S. birthright citizen. Born in Miami, Florida, in 1971, he acquired citizenship under the 14th Amendment because he was born within the United States, despite his parents being Cuban immigrants who were not U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.
NYT

Thanks, and you obviously read this:

Chinese have been visiting (Visa free entry) resorts and casinos in CNMI (Commonwealth of North Mariana Islands), north of Guam and much closer than mainland U.S., to vacation, gamble, and to give birth. The number of foreign births started spiking during the Obama admin, so much so, that in some periods, foreign births exceeded local resident births.

bearister said:

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Marco Rubio is a U.S. birthright citizen. Born in Miami, Florida, in 1971, he acquired citizenship under the 14th Amendment because he was born within the United States, despite his parents being Cuban immigrants who were not U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.

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Did Marco Rubio's parents sneak into the U.S. or overstayed their travel visas?

DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Can you post a link to the brief?

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20260226190357248_No. 25-365_Amicus Brief.pdf

Microsoft Word - Birthright Citizenship Stay Amicus Brief FINAL FOR FILING

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This is an amicus brief by a bunch of academics that no one will pay attention to.

I suspect SoCal could provide a link if he really read the brief, which it is pretty obvious he didn't do. The OP questions his credilbity.

The DOJ's brief is basically an historical discussion about what the 14th amendment supposedly did.Trump's EO breaks with well over a century of legal precedence in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898). Basically the DOJ brief says Wong Kim Ark is wrongfully decided because the 14 amendment's language was to only to help insure slaves (who were not technically citizens) enjoy citizenship rights. The problem with that, as was pointed out by various Justices, is Congress had that same understanding of the Citizenship Clause in 1940 as the Wong Kim Ark Court, when it enacted in what is now 8 U.S.C. 1401(a), and when it re-enacted that provision in 1952. Therefore such "birthright" citizenship is established as a matter of statute, regardless of how a President today might read the Fourteenth Amendmentand. Executive Branch officials may not act in contravention of existing statute.

Sounds like this goes 7 to 2 or 8 to 1 against the Administration from today's argument.

wifeisafurd said:

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Sounds like this goes 7 to 2 or 8 to 1 against the Administration from today's argument.

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I'm still going with 9 - 0.
I guess Native Americans are the only U.S. citizens.

Maga for Morons!

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Anarchistbear said:

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Maybe he will fire them all like The Apprentice.

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As you know, he is stuck with them for life. He just has to shorten the life. Don't think that thought hasn't crossed their minds.

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No word yet on whether Trump fell asleep sitting there in that chair.

(My humorous speculation.)