Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

concordtom said:

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No wonder people are having fewer children.

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[looks left, then right] none works too

My thoughts exactly.

It's always been doomed which is why it's the most interesting city in the country

Cal88 said:

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chazzed said:

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Aunburdened said:

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concordtom said:

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Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

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If New Orleans doesn't end up underwater, global warming alarmists should retire in disgrace forever

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Well, let's stay the course and wait to see how it all turns out. Once the scientific community has been proven right and billions in damage have been done to our infrastructure, THEN we'll act. Does this work for you?

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The alternative being spending trillions in carbon taxes and other schemes in order to prevent hypothetical local disasters that could cost billions, disasters that might be unrelated to CO2 levels.

In any case, the global warming paranoia is unravelling now because energy intensive AI is dominating the economy and because China is dominating the renewable energy space.

That is why we hear a lot less about global warming in the media and the political class today than we did 10-20 years ago, despite what we were told back then about things spiraling out of control ("tipping point") by now...

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We hear less about it because everyone now knows it's happening yet nobody is willing to do their 0.0000000123% part. In fact, we want more!! More AI. More travel. More AC. More consumption.

You call it paranoia.
I call it reality.

chazzed said:

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Aunburdened said:

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concordtom said:

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Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

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If New Orleans doesn't end up underwater, global warming alarmists should retire in disgrace forever

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Well, let's stay the course and wait to see how it all turns out. Once the scientific community has been proven right and billions in damage have been done to our infrastructure, THEN we'll act. Does this work for you?

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Given all the stuff that they said should have happened by now, they already should step out of the prediction game, but yeah if they ever manage to get ANYTHING right, then I'll give them their due credit.

Aunburdened said:

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chazzed said:

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Aunburdened said:

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concordtom said:

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Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

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If New Orleans doesn't end up underwater, global warming alarmists should retire in disgrace forever

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Well, let's stay the course and wait to see how it all turns out. Once the scientific community has been proven right and billions in damage have been done to our infrastructure, THEN we'll act. Does this work for you?

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Given all the stuff that they said should have happened by now, they already should step out of the prediction game, but yeah if they ever manage to get ANYTHING right, then I'll give them their due credit.

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What hasn't come true that was supposed to have happened by now?

A glacier in Alaska retreated, as they all are doing. The glacier was helping support a cliff wall. No glacier meant rock cliff collapsed, thus triggering a massive local tsunami in the fjord that was ~450 meters tall.

https://news.sky.com/story/alaskan-tsunami-bigger-than-empire-state-building-triggered-by-climate-change-13540784

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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chazzed said:

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Aunburdened said:

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concordtom said:

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Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

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If New Orleans doesn't end up underwater, global warming alarmists should retire in disgrace forever

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Well, let's stay the course and wait to see how it all turns out. Once the scientific community has been proven right and billions in damage have been done to our infrastructure, THEN we'll act. Does this work for you?

---

The alternative being spending trillions in carbon taxes and other schemes in order to prevent hypothetical local disasters that could cost billions, disasters that might be unrelated to CO2 levels.

In any case, the global warming paranoia is unravelling now because energy intensive AI is dominating the economy and because China is dominating the renewable energy space.

That is why we hear a lot less about global warming in the media and the political class today than we did 10-20 years ago, despite what we were told back then about things spiraling out of control ("tipping point") by now...

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We hear less about it because everyone now knows it's happening yet nobody is willing to do their 0.0000000123% part. In fact, we want more!! More AI. More travel. More AC. More consumption.

You call it paranoia.
I call it reality.

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AI today accounts for the majority of US GDP growth and the top end of the stock market (Mag7). The growth of this industry is not compatible with the aggressive CO2 control agenda that has been proposed and partially implemented the previous decades (and no, it's a lot bigger than the infinitesimally small fraction you mentioned) .

This new AI agenda is reflected in the media and political agenda.

I am not sure I'm following.

I agree that AI consumes large amounts of electricity and therefore is not compatible with CO2 reduction efforts.

I am not certain what you are saying.

concordtom said:

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Aunburdened said:

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chazzed said:

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Aunburdened said:

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concordtom said:

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Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

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If New Orleans doesn't end up underwater, global warming alarmists should retire in disgrace forever

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Well, let's stay the course and wait to see how it all turns out. Once the scientific community has been proven right and billions in damage have been done to our infrastructure, THEN we'll act. Does this work for you?

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Given all the stuff that they said should have happened by now, they already should step out of the prediction game, but yeah if they ever manage to get ANYTHING right, then I'll give them their due credit.

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What hasn't come true that was supposed to have happened by now?

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The single most important potential adverse effect from a change in climate, by a very wide margin, would be a decline or catastrophic failure in agriculture, and desertification. And ironically enough, increase in CO2 levels act in the opposite way, stimulating photosynthesis, especially in arid regions. CO2 has been credited for the greening of the earth, with for instance the Sahara desert having lost 10% of its area in the last 3 decades.

We've had bumper crops in the most important cereals (rice, wheat, corn, soya), resulting in less land being cultivated even though demand for food has been growing.

If the energy shock we are experiencing today worsens through renewed bombing of Iran resulting in retaliation on the GCC oil and gas infrastructure and a blockage of the Hormuz Strait, we're going to have big famines in the developing world, the likes of which we haven't experienced in decades due to consistently high agricultural outputs in recent times.

I've read your co2 and desert and agriculture connection in the past. It's a fair point.

But I don't think we can sacrifice one calamity for a different benefit.

For, if co2 continues to rise and the planet gets hotter, ice melts and oceans rise. A huge percentage of human population will be displaced, not to mention all coastal cities globally becoming a massive trash dump into the oceans, or ancillary impacts due to temperature rise disruptions variously around the world.

We have the technology to feed the world now. We don't need to turn desert into livable habitat in order to do so.

Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Aunburdened said:

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chazzed said:

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Aunburdened said:

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concordtom said:

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Article about a research paper that suggests beginning to relocate 65 miles inland.

Past the point if no return.

No amount of money can save a city surrounded by open ocean.

5-7 meters expected. Not just erosion but oil and gas extraction causes land subsidence, similar to Central Valley of California where water wells remove liquid material causing sinkage.

Includes an author who is expert from Tulane, which is in New Orleans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/point-no-return-orleans-relocation-090019591.html

How long until same is predicted for the former merryweather post estate in Florida??

Gotta be a thousand of cities globally that will suffer the same fate. And where does all the man-made stuff of civilization go? The oceans? Trucked to some landfill?

No wonder people are having fewer children.

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If New Orleans doesn't end up underwater, global warming alarmists should retire in disgrace forever

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Well, let's stay the course and wait to see how it all turns out. Once the scientific community has been proven right and billions in damage have been done to our infrastructure, THEN we'll act. Does this work for you?

---

Given all the stuff that they said should have happened by now, they already should step out of the prediction game, but yeah if they ever manage to get ANYTHING right, then I'll give them their due credit.

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What hasn't come true that was supposed to have happened by now?

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The single most important potential adverse effect from a change in climate, by a very wide margin, would be a decline or catastrophic failure in agriculture, and desertification. And ironically enough, increase in CO2 levels act in the opposite way, stimulating photosynthesis, especially in arid regions. CO2 has been credited for the greening of the earth, with for instance the Sahara desert having lost 10% of its area in the last 3 decades.

We've had bumper crops in the most important cereals (rice, wheat, corn, soya), resulting in less land being cultivated even though demand for food has been growing.

If the energy shock we are experiencing today worsens through renewed bombing of Iran resulting in retaliation on the GCC oil and gas infrastructure and a blockage of the Hormuz Strait, we're going to have big famines in the developing world, the likes of which we haven't experienced in decades due to consistently high agricultural outputs in recent times.

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Sorry, I had to look gcc up:

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The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) is a political and economic union of six Arab states bordering the Persian Gulf: Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Formed in 1981, the council aims to foster cooperation in economy, security, and culture, with members holding substantial global oil (33%) and natural gas (21%) reserves.

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All the more reason to follow China into the renewables game!!!!!!!!!!!!