The ECONOMY Part Deux

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DiabloWags
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Clearly, a lot of debt under Obama came from policies implemented trying to get out from under the Great Recession of 2008/2009



How did Obama's presidency impact the national debt?
BearlySane88
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DiabloWags said:

Clearly, a lot of debt under Obama came from policies implemented trying to get out from under the Great Recession of 2008/2009

How did Obama's presidency impact the national debt?



The recession officially ended in 2009, trillion dollar deficits continued for years. The recession explains the initial spike in deficits, but it does not explain why debt kept exploding long after the financial crisis ended. Temporary emergency measures became normalized long-term spending, and the administration chose expansionary fiscal policies even during the recovery years.
movielover
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Cal88 said:




"During the Biden administration (January 20, 2021, to January 20, 2025), the gross national debt increased by $8.4 trillion. The total gross national debt grew from roughly $27.8 trillion at the start of his term to about $36.2 trillion when he left office."

More recent Presidents will naturally eclipse prior until something massive changes, spending, interest rates, tariffs (revenue). Ross Perot and Newt Gingrich forced Bill Clinton to cut spending, and the Internet boom helped.
Cal88
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movielover said:

Cal88 said:




"During the Biden administration (January 20, 2021, to January 20, 2025), the gross national debt increased by $8.4 trillion. The total gross national debt grew from roughly $27.8 trillion at the start of his term to about $36.2 trillion when he left office."

More recent Presidents will naturally eclipse prior until something massive changes, spending, interest rates, tariffs (revenue). Ross Perot and Newt Gingrich forced Bill Clinton to cut spending, and the Internet boom helped.


The peace dividend was the main reason the Clinton budget deficits came under control. The defense budget tripled under Dubya.

Quote:

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President Clinton's annual defense budgets ranged between \(\$266 \text{ billion}\) and \(\$295 \text{ billion}\) during his time in office, steadily declining as a share of the economy due to the post-Cold War "peace dividend". [1]
By the end of his administration, defense outlays represented roughly \(2.9\%\) of the national GDP.


Trump is doing this again, he wants to jack the defense budget all the way up to $2.2 trillion.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-03/trump-budget-pits-spending-cuts-against-massive-defense-push
movielover
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Insane. He once suggested major powers cutting their MIC budgets 50%.
DiabloWags
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Cal88 said:


Trump is doing this again, he wants to jack the defense budget all the way up to $2.2 trillion.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-03/trump-budget-pits-spending-cuts-against-massive-defense-push


Trump is the new WAR president.
When he isn't playing golf.

MAGA!




Trump says he may not make Don Jr's wedding because of Iran War despite multiple golfing trips since conflict began

DiabloWags
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What's interesting is that the Fed has cut the benchmark rate by 175 basis points since mid-2024, but the 10-year Treasury yield has only dipped by about 35 basis points while the 30-year yield touched 5%.

This kind of DISCONNECT is not normal.

In fact, if you track Fed policy and yields going back to 1990, this disconnect is UNPRECEDENTED.

Things that don't help:

1.) Foreigners like Japan backing off from buying our Treasury's in lieu of their own bonds.
2.) Massive supply out of our Treasury of bonds for as far as the eye can see.
3.) Interest costs of $1 Trillion a year now.
4.) Flood of corporate bonds.




Cal88
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Japan has to shore up the Yen.


oski003
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Cal88 said:




Trump has even increased the debt more than Abraham Lincoln who presided over a massive 4 year war of choice where more than 50% of the American male population fought!
SBGold
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DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:


Trump is doing this again, he wants to jack the defense budget all the way up to $2.2 trillion.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-03/trump-budget-pits-spending-cuts-against-massive-defense-push


Trump is the new WAR president.
When he isn't playing golf.

MAGA!




Trump says he may not make Don Jr's wedding because of Iran War despite multiple golfing trips since conflict began



Oh man, what I would do just to be able to go to that wedding.

HIs dad isn't even interested, lol
DiabloWags
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The Bond Market Vigilantes are forcing the Fed to tighten.
They're already doing it themselves.
SBGold
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This
Aunburdened
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SBGold said:

This


As I said before, Boomers are the most selfish and stupidest generation of all time.
Aunburdened
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Setting aside Wags' boring as hell dual obsession with Trump and the markets, here's an interesting article about why the government intentionally makes sure the country never reaches anything near full employment.

SBGold
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Aunburdened said:

SBGold said:

This


As I said before, Boomers are the most selfish and stupidest generation of all time.

On this we agree!
Big C
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SBGold said:

Aunburdened said:

SBGold said:

This


As I said before, Boomers are the most selfish and stupidest generation of all time.

On this we agree!

On this we disagree!

Selfish? People tend to act in their own self-interest. How is what Boomers are doing all that different than what anyone would, if they had the chance? And remember all the selfless reforms that Boomers tried to enact: we are still for them, which accounts for a lot of our unpopularity.

Stupid?!? I resemble that remark. Wait, no I don't; I can name all the state capitals! Boomers are smart! Especially, the amazing sub-generation, "Late Boomers"!
Big C
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Regarding our soaring national debt... it's a political problem. One politician runs on austerity and fiscal responsibility and the other runs on universal tax cuts and free Wi-Fi. Everything else equal, who's gonna win that one?

Reminds me of the paraphrazation of that quote from George Carlin :

"You know how stupid the average person is? Well, half the entire population is even dumber than that!"
DiabloWags
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Consumer Sentiment for May falls to an ALL TIME LOW.

The University of Michigan's sentiment survey dates back to 1952: Americans are feeling worse now than they did during wars, the 1970s oil crisis, 9/11, the Great Recession, the Covid-19 pandemic and the inflation surge afterward.

MAGA!

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/22/economy/consumer-sentiment-final-may
SBGold
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Aunburdened said:

Setting aside Wags' boring as hell dual obsession with Trump and the markets, here's an interesting article about why the government intentionally makes sure the country never reaches anything near full employment.






Yeah that's a personal attack troll post that is not needed
Aunburdened
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SBGold said:

Yeah that's a personal attack troll post that is not needed

DiabloWags
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SBGold said:

Yeah that's a personal attack troll post that is not needed

Yes, I simply posted an economic report in the ECONOMY thread and was personally attacked.
Thankfully, the mods saw it the same way and deleted the attack.

FYI: The Michigan Consumer Sentiment survey goes back to 1952



DiabloWags
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Perhaps even more concerning for consumers isn't just the impact of INFLATION but also the probability of losing one's job that is weighing on record breaking negative sentiment . . .

SBGold
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Seems like you cut your own throat.

Stop the bleeding!
Aunburdened
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DiabloWags said:

SBGold said:

Yeah that's a personal attack troll post that is not needed

Yes, I simply posted an economic report in the ECONOMY thread and was personally attacked.
Thankfully, the mods saw it the same way and deleted the attack.

I'd head over to the Berkeley Optometry building and get your vision checked if I were you.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/134581/replies/2696557

DiabloWags
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Notice that we never see any Twitter posts from people like Amuse about Consumer Sentiment making NEW ALL-TIME LOWS.
I wonder why that is?

49.8 = May


movielover
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DiabloWags
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What's everyone crying about?

Prices are only up "a little bit"






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oski003
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DiabloWags said:

What's everyone crying about?

Prices are only up "a little bit"






As Summer Kicks Off, Memorial Day Staples up 13% on Average and Travel Prices Soar



It looks like they are up 13% on average. This is certainly a "little bit" compared to the poster who earlier misleadingly complained about grocery items, including ketchup costing $8.99. That poster also acted like gas was more than $8 when it was still under $6. His or her posts were incredibly misleading.
DiabloWags
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I paid $6.99 for Organic Ketchup last week at my local Safeway.

DiabloWags
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I also paid $6.99 at Whole Foods for the best DIPA in the world.
It used to be $5.99 before the War.




DiabloWags
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Consumer Sentiment continues to implode . . . even for those in the Top Third of Stock Wealth





Lowest level recorded in 70 odd years of surveys.
Gee, I wonder why?

https://www.wsj.com/economy/consumers/stock-market-consumer-sentiment-af088e87?st=UZXBg3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
DiabloWags
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smh
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sure, if you can afford savings Fidelity has good products.

in our case (long-long-ago) we followed KGO radio weekend host Bob Brinker's recommendation of lower annual operating cost overhead with Vanguard's index funds. so we get to die fairly well off.. whoopee.
# winner winner chicken dinner
not dead yet # funk trunk and i.c.e. too.
(allergic to AI)
DiabloWags
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US first-quarter GDP growth revised lower to 1.6% pace
DiabloWags
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April's PCE at 3.8%



Inflation hits highest level in nearly 3 years, Fed's preferred gauge shows
 
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