Standing Thread for 2026-27 Roster Tracking

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MiZery
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Isiah Harwell was offered by Cal out of high school

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ManBearLion123
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MiZery said:




I don't think McKeever would be worth the massive amount of money he'll surely go for in the portal. His advanced stats are pretty bad, especially against top-end competition.
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ManBearLion123 said:

MiZery said:




I don't think McKeever would be worth the massive amount of money he'll surely go for in the portal. His advanced stats are pretty bad, especially against top-end competition.


And he is from Livermore
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calumnus said:

atoms said:

socaltownie said:

Add in the hail mary ncaa petition from chris bell. Would be huge if granted.


Can someone explain to me what the basis for this would be? He played in 30+ games every year for 4 years. So how could he not have used up his eligibility?





Maybe it is a groundbreaking challenge to the 4 year rule? Maybe not all of his Syracuse credits transferred and he is still working on his Cal degree. Argument would be the NCAA is illegally and arbitrarily restricting his abilty to earn scholarship and NIL money?

Here's my question for the group.

If players can and do choose a new team every year
If players have zero allegiance to your school
If players aren't expected to have allegiance to your school
If players for the most part play for the school that gives them the best contract.
If the academic requirement of going to school is laughably enforced, and frankly at some point these guys are going to challenge the requirement altogether unless it is so laughable they don't care because no one makes them do it.
If there are basically no limits on how many years you can play as we seem to be heading to.
If there are no limits to professionals returning to college play as we seem to be heading to.
If someone rolls out 48 year old Lebron James because an alum can, because it is a ticket draw, and because 48 year old Lebron James is better than almost all 18 year olds.
If this truly becomes a league of semi-pro has beens, never wases, and a few not yets because they can all make more doing this than toting a lunch pail.
If this is just a league of employees who play a completely crap brand of basketball compared to the NBA (and it is a crap brand of basketball compared to the NBA)
If we aren't watching 18 year olds who may develop into the next stars, if we aren't watching fellow students of our university play hard FOR our university instead of for themselves and their next contract.

If we really just root for laundry.

At what point does this cross the line for you? At what point is this just stupidly giving your money for a nostalgia play so you can sorta remember what was awesome 30 years ago?

I'm not talking about what Cal should do or arguing for dropping basketball. I am saying this is *****ed up. Money and corporations, and apparel companies and media companies and wealthy alums trying to measure their anatomy have wrecked what was a natural and fun activity where we bonded over our students and classmates competing for our schools. Where the most important spectators were the ones in the stadium or gym, (yes I said gym) not the ones on their couches, where schools got a reasonable return that mostly covered expenses, where coaches made a nice living as SCHOOL coaches earning salaries that were far lower than professional teams.

I'm not naive. Money has always infected college revenue sports. There were always ringers. Academics was frequently questionable. But most of the guys were high school graduates with dreams who played 4 years and only 4 years for their school for a scholarship and walked around campus with their classmates.

I'd really like to know, without nostalgia, why should we watch this over the 49ers and Warriors?. And to that point, why, without that nostalgia, anyone should be surprised that Gen Z is not buying in with nearly the niumbers of their predecessors? Are new fans really coming to replace the old ones?

I'm sorry, but this product sucks. Not Cal, the whole college revenue sports thing. It is becoming stale and devoid of any character or meaning. Sooner or later, we are going to see the money dry up because the appeal is waning . Unfortunately, I think that is going to happen slowly as those with nostalgia and those with monetary interest in keeping it going keep this alive to die a slow, agonizing death. Frankly, I'm rooting for a quick crash and burn. And the reason I'm hoping for that, is it would allow for us to go back to a system where we root for students whose connection to and loyalty and emotion for our universities leads them to compete for schools they hope to graduate from and where, even if they are slightly not as good as the semi-pros that infect the sport now, they are a lot more fun to watch. Maybe that is anachronistic in today's age, but I'd much rather have 6600 seat Harmon Gym back and watch guys like Keith Smith play to mostly excited crowds than the bullshyte we have now. I fear that the system we have now is not only going to wreck the magic of college sports (which it has already done), but it will end in total death where, like most countries, sports will not be something that is attached to universities in a meaningful way.

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I agree with you BCA. For me, the measure will be how many of this year's players we can hold onto for next years. Turning over the entire roster every year makes being a fan fairly pointless, because you only have laundry to bind you to the players, and that's not enough for me.
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the university should not be in the semi-pro business, nor the entertainment business. Drop all nil and all scholarships except for demonstrated need. Cal won't compete with the pros, but it could compete with the acacemic institutions all of whom will either adopt this model or quit sports altogether.
calumnus
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bearchamp said:

the university should not be in the semi-pro business, nor the entertainment business. Drop all nil and all scholarships except for demonstrated need. Cal won't compete with the pros, but it could compete with the acacemic institutions all of whom will either adopt this model or quit sports altogether.

You cannot "drop all NIL." The Supreme Court was unanimous(!) on this.

I do think the revenue sports should be run by an alumni controlled entity instead of the university. The rest of the sports could be run by the university as you laid out, only scholarships for need or as established by donors. Though the athletes could still get NIL from outside entities.
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If you want to go for another former NBA player son

https://instagr.am/p/DWjhgQNjcn2
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calumnus said:

bearchamp said:

the university should not be in the semi-pro business, nor the entertainment business. Drop all nil and all scholarships except for demonstrated need. Cal won't compete with the pros, but it could compete with the acacemic institutions all of whom will either adopt this model or quit sports altogether.

You cannot "drop all NIL." The Supreme Court was unanimous(!) on this.

I do think the revenue sports should be run by an alumni controlled entity instead of the university. The rest of the sports could be run by the university as you laid out, only scholarships for need or as established by donors. Though the athletes could still get NIL from outside entities.

AI answer:
Participation Gaps: As of 2026, over 200 Division I schools have active NIL collectives, while roughly 150 do not.
The Power 4 Advantage: All 68 "Power" conference schools have supporting collectives.
Revenue Sharing Shift: Starting in 2025-26, 310+ schools opted in to directly share revenue with athletes, but 54 schoolsincluding Ivy League and service academiesopted out.
Disparity: Top-tier players may make hundreds of thousands in NIL, while players at lower-tier schools might only see small, incidental compensation.
*******
I could see conferences promoting "pure basketball" with agreed upon salary cap among teams to keep things reasonable. Will they be tournament teams with top-100 players? Nope. Though if the NCAA was smart they would give this imaginary conference an automatic bid, it would make for a good story.
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barsad said:

calumnus said:

bearchamp said:

the university should not be in the semi-pro business, nor the entertainment business. Drop all nil and all scholarships except for demonstrated need. Cal won't compete with the pros, but it could compete with the acacemic institutions all of whom will either adopt this model or quit sports altogether.

You cannot "drop all NIL." The Supreme Court was unanimous(!) on this.

I do think the revenue sports should be run by an alumni controlled entity instead of the university. The rest of the sports could be run by the university as you laid out, only scholarships for need or as established by donors. Though the athletes could still get NIL from outside entities.

AI answer:
Participation Gaps: As of 2026, over 200 Division I schools have active NIL collectives, while roughly 150 do not.
The Power 4 Advantage: All 68 "Power" conference schools have supporting collectives.
Revenue Sharing Shift: Starting in 2025-26, 310+ schools opted in to directly share revenue with athletes, but 54 schoolsincluding Ivy League and service academiesopted out.
Disparity: Top-tier players may make hundreds of thousands in NIL, while players at lower-tier schools might only see small, incidental compensation.
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I could see conferences promoting "pure basketball" with agreed upon salary cap among teams to keep things reasonable. Will they be tournament teams with top-100 players? Nope. Though if the NCAA was smart they would give this imaginary conference an automatic bid, it would make for a good story.


The salary cap would not be legal unless it was achieved through collective bargaining with the players or an act of Congress.
barsad
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You've thrown the legal card before, I get it, you're a lawyer and think linearly in terms of what "can and can't" be done based on current law and regulation.
I refer you to the strategy of our current president: first do the thing, then fight it in court and see what happens, and make no apologies. I hate that he's made it work because I disagree with his aims, but he's proven it's an effective policy tactic.
Even when he has no chance and loses, he's gained supporters in the process.
If we want to fix college basketball it's going to take making "illegal salary caps" and then beating the challenges in court.
bearchamp
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Regarding NIL: the supreme court did not mandate institutional participation in NIL. It simply banned prohibition of athletes monetizing their NIL. Today, institutions have organized groups and donors to give money to allow NIL to be used as a recruiting tool. The institutions can walk away from their complicity any time they like.
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In reply to barsad. You cannot be serious abiout intentionally violating the law in order to support a quasi-pro athletic program. And, the story on Trumpism isn't yet complete.
socaltownie
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Could one of the lawyers explain the limits of conference rules and thus what is and what isn't considered an illegal anti-trust restraint on trade? Put another way, why did the restriction on outside earnings (NIL) trigger the findings but restrictions such as enrollment in school or 4 years of eligilibty did not. Or is the answer "They probably ARE illegal restrictions and the court will have those issues in front of them in a few years":.
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barsad
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bearchamp said:

In reply to barsad. You cannot be serious abiout intentionally violating the law in order to support a quasi-pro athletic program. And, the story on Trumpism isn't yet complete.

Deadly serious.
Wake up, we already have the quasi-pro league (I'd say all-pro), it needs no support, it is here to stay, the only question is whether someone has the balls to confront it with some rules.
Sure, history will frown on Trumpism, what does that have to do with making policy change this year in a greed-oriented and morally bankrupt system that has no other mechanism for positive change?
concordtom
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Here's a path to finding players with college eligibility. I guess it could be any kid not paid or signed by nba and still within their five year ncaa eligibility clock, whatever exactly that is.

Go looking in Europe.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/baylor-basketball-james-nnaji-scott-drew-nba-draft-ncaa-professional-players-in-college/

The story of Nigerian James Nnaji

Crucially, Nnaji has never played in an NBA game, which is purportedly still a key distinction for a player's college eligibility. (Though we should brace for that rule to be tested in 2026, I'm sure.) Still, the guy guarded Victor Wembanyama in Summer League and was even part of the big trade that shipped Karl-Anthony Towns to the New York Knicks in exchange for Julius Randle to the Minnesota Timberwolves in October 2024.



While the Knicks still own Nnaji's draft rights per the terms of the Towns/Randle trade, Nnaji is not signed to an NBA contract. More crucial context: Nnaji was never paid outside of his Summer League and travel per diems during his brief time in the NBA pipeline. For the majority of the past five years, he's been playing EuroLeague basketball.

That being the case, he had a path to pursue college eligibility, since he never played college ball prior to 2023. (Nnaji was in the FC Barcelona program in the years before he was drafted.) Because Nnaji never enrolled in college here in the States, and because he's within a five-year window of what equates to his high school graduation, his five-year NCAA eligibility clock starts now.
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

calumnus said:

atoms said:

socaltownie said:

Add in the hail mary ncaa petition from chris bell. Would be huge if granted.


Can someone explain to me what the basis for this would be? He played in 30+ games every year for 4 years. So how could he not have used up his eligibility?





Maybe it is a groundbreaking challenge to the 4 year rule? Maybe not all of his Syracuse credits transferred and he is still working on his Cal degree. Argument would be the NCAA is illegally and arbitrarily restricting his abilty to earn scholarship and NIL money?

Here's my question for the group.

If players can and do choose a new team every year
If players have zero allegiance to your school
If players aren't expected to have allegiance to your school
If players for the most part play for the school that gives them the best contract.
If the academic requirement of going to school is laughably enforced, and frankly at some point these guys are going to challenge the requirement altogether unless it is so laughable they don't care because no one makes them do it.
If there are basically no limits on how many years you can play as we seem to be heading to.
If there are no limits to professionals returning to college play as we seem to be heading to.
If someone rolls out 48 year old Lebron James because an alum can, because it is a ticket draw, and because 48 year old Lebron James is better than almost all 18 year olds.
If this truly becomes a league of semi-pro has beens, never wases, and a few not yets because they can all make more doing this than toting a lunch pail.
If this is just a league of employees who play a completely crap brand of basketball compared to the NBA (and it is a crap brand of basketball compared to the NBA)
If we aren't watching 18 year olds who may develop into the next stars, if we aren't watching fellow students of our university play hard FOR our university instead of for themselves and their next contract.

If we really just root for laundry.

At what point does this cross the line for you? At what point is this just stupidly giving your money for a nostalgia play so you can sorta remember what was awesome 30 years ago?

I'm not talking about what Cal should do or arguing for dropping basketball. I am saying this is *****ed up. Money and corporations, and apparel companies and media companies and wealthy alums trying to measure their anatomy have wrecked what was a natural and fun activity where we bonded over our students and classmates competing for our schools. Where the most important spectators were the ones in the stadium or gym, (yes I said gym) not the ones on their couches, where schools got a reasonable return that mostly covered expenses, where coaches made a nice living as SCHOOL coaches earning salaries that were far lower than professional teams.

I'm not naive. Money has always infected college revenue sports. There were always ringers. Academics was frequently questionable. But most of the guys were high school graduates with dreams who played 4 years and only 4 years for their school for a scholarship and walked around campus with their classmates.

I'd really like to know, without nostalgia, why should we watch this over the 49ers and Warriors?. And to that point, why, without that nostalgia, anyone should be surprised that Gen Z is not buying in with nearly the niumbers of their predecessors? Are new fans really coming to replace the old ones?

I'm sorry, but this product sucks. Not Cal, the whole college revenue sports thing. It is becoming stale and devoid of any character or meaning. Sooner or later, we are going to see the money dry up because the appeal is waning . Unfortunately, I think that is going to happen slowly as those with nostalgia and those with monetary interest in keeping it going keep this alive to die a slow, agonizing death. Frankly, I'm rooting for a quick crash and burn. And the reason I'm hoping for that, is it would allow for us to go back to a system where we root for students whose connection to and loyalty and emotion for our universities leads them to compete for schools they hope to graduate from and where, even if they are slightly not as good as the semi-pros that infect the sport now, they are a lot more fun to watch. Maybe that is anachronistic in today's age, but I'd much rather have 6600 seat Harmon Gym back and watch guys like Keith Smith play to mostly excited crowds than the bullshyte we have now. I fear that the system we have now is not only going to wreck the magic of college sports (which it has already done), but it will end in total death where, like most countries, sports will not be something that is attached to universities in a meaningful way.




Yep yep yep.
This thing is dead to me.
Rooting for laundry. Exactly.

Some group of guys convinced some other old rich guys to give money to a slush fund so they could purchase players to wear "our" laundry.

Boring.
socaltownie
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concordtom said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

calumnus said:

atoms said:

socaltownie said:

Add in the hail mary ncaa petition from chris bell. Would be huge if granted.


Can someone explain to me what the basis for this would be? He played in 30+ games every year for 4 years. So how could he not have used up his eligibility?





Maybe it is a groundbreaking challenge to the 4 year rule? Maybe not all of his Syracuse credits transferred and he is still working on his Cal degree. Argument would be the NCAA is illegally and arbitrarily restricting his abilty to earn scholarship and NIL money?

Here's my question for the group.

If players can and do choose a new team every year
If players have zero allegiance to your school
If players aren't expected to have allegiance to your school
If players for the most part play for the school that gives them the best contract.
If the academic requirement of going to school is laughably enforced, and frankly at some point these guys are going to challenge the requirement altogether unless it is so laughable they don't care because no one makes them do it.
If there are basically no limits on how many years you can play as we seem to be heading to.
If there are no limits to professionals returning to college play as we seem to be heading to.
If someone rolls out 48 year old Lebron James because an alum can, because it is a ticket draw, and because 48 year old Lebron James is better than almost all 18 year olds.
If this truly becomes a league of semi-pro has beens, never wases, and a few not yets because they can all make more doing this than toting a lunch pail.
If this is just a league of employees who play a completely crap brand of basketball compared to the NBA (and it is a crap brand of basketball compared to the NBA)
If we aren't watching 18 year olds who may develop into the next stars, if we aren't watching fellow students of our university play hard FOR our university instead of for themselves and their next contract.

If we really just root for laundry.

At what point does this cross the line for you? At what point is this just stupidly giving your money for a nostalgia play so you can sorta remember what was awesome 30 years ago?

I'm not talking about what Cal should do or arguing for dropping basketball. I am saying this is *****ed up. Money and corporations, and apparel companies and media companies and wealthy alums trying to measure their anatomy have wrecked what was a natural and fun activity where we bonded over our students and classmates competing for our schools. Where the most important spectators were the ones in the stadium or gym, (yes I said gym) not the ones on their couches, where schools got a reasonable return that mostly covered expenses, where coaches made a nice living as SCHOOL coaches earning salaries that were far lower than professional teams.

I'm not naive. Money has always infected college revenue sports. There were always ringers. Academics was frequently questionable. But most of the guys were high school graduates with dreams who played 4 years and only 4 years for their school for a scholarship and walked around campus with their classmates.

I'd really like to know, without nostalgia, why should we watch this over the 49ers and Warriors?. And to that point, why, without that nostalgia, anyone should be surprised that Gen Z is not buying in with nearly the niumbers of their predecessors? Are new fans really coming to replace the old ones?

I'm sorry, but this product sucks. Not Cal, the whole college revenue sports thing. It is becoming stale and devoid of any character or meaning. Sooner or later, we are going to see the money dry up because the appeal is waning . Unfortunately, I think that is going to happen slowly as those with nostalgia and those with monetary interest in keeping it going keep this alive to die a slow, agonizing death. Frankly, I'm rooting for a quick crash and burn. And the reason I'm hoping for that, is it would allow for us to go back to a system where we root for students whose connection to and loyalty and emotion for our universities leads them to compete for schools they hope to graduate from and where, even if they are slightly not as good as the semi-pros that infect the sport now, they are a lot more fun to watch. Maybe that is anachronistic in today's age, but I'd much rather have 6600 seat Harmon Gym back and watch guys like Keith Smith play to mostly excited crowds than the bullshyte we have now. I fear that the system we have now is not only going to wreck the magic of college sports (which it has already done), but it will end in total death where, like most countries, sports will not be something that is attached to universities in a meaningful way.




Yep yep yep.
This thing is dead to me.
Rooting for laundry. Exactly.

Some group of guys convinced some other old rich guys to give money to a slush fund so they could purchase players to wear "our" laundry.

Boring.

SUch of 2 minds that I went back and deleted a negative post. Lets try to make it work.
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concordtom
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So you're saying you are going to stay the course?
Go laundry?
socaltownie
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concordtom said:

So you're saying you are going to stay the course?
Go laundry?

It still gives me joy. I am not sure it should. But it does.


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Bobodeluxe
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Too bad that Virginia Cleaners closed years ago. They could have been a perfect nil sponsor.
HoopDreams
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If Toyota of Berkeley hasn't sponsored a team or player(s) somebody absolutely needs to contact them (plenty of dealerships provide a leased car to players and Toyota is a major car brand)

"No one beats Berkeley, They never had and Never will"
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HoopDreams said:

If Toyota of Berkeley hasn't sponsored a team or player(s) somebody absolutely needs to contact them (plenty of dealerships provide a leased car to players and Toyota is a major car brand)

"No one beats Berkeley, They never had and Never will"

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-southwick-jr-5869a311/
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Bobodeluxe said:

Too bad that Virginia Cleaners closed years ago. They could have been a perfect nil sponsor.


They are still in business - just picked up my suit from them a couple days ago
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GoCal80 said:

Bobodeluxe said:

Too bad that Virginia Cleaners closed years ago. They could have been a perfect nil sponsor.


They are still in business - just picked up my suit from them a couple days ago

Maybe it was Virginia Bakery. I always mourn the loss of a bookstore or bakery.
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stu said:

GoCal80 said:

Bobodeluxe said:

Too bad that Virginia Cleaners closed years ago. They could have been a perfect nil sponsor.


They are still in business - just picked up my suit from them a couple days ago

Maybe it was Virginia Bakery. I always mourn the loss of a bookstore or bakery.

That's why my clothes always came back dirtier than I brought them in.
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saying again - if everyone just click their name and donate 1 penny for each BI post they have made we would EASILY exceed the 32K left in the challenge.

Even if just a little bit - think of it as an investment in being able to ***** as a part owner in the team ;-)
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stu said:

GoCal80 said:

Bobodeluxe said:

Too bad that Virginia Cleaners closed years ago. They could have been a perfect nil sponsor.


They are still in business - just picked up my suit from them a couple days ago

Maybe it was Virginia Bakery. I always mourn the loss of a bookstore or bakery.

Yes. Replaced by a Cupcakery. Like the one on Telegraph. But I'm not sure our players would want to be called Cupcakes.
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