President's Executive Order Regulating College Sports

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Chunger89
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/donald-trump-president-executive-order-college-sports-transfers-eligibility-nil/

https://www.on3.com/news/donald-trump-set-to-sign-executive-order-regulating-college-sports-transfer-limits/


Definitely in support of implementing a one time transfer without penalty (second time redshirt season sit out). Student athletes going to four different schools in four years is pretty ridiculous. Hopefully this creates some more roster continuity.
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Hope this holds up in court. I don't care who gets the credit as long as we retain some semblance of college sports.
socaltownie
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Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.
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Golden One
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socaltownie said:

Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.


So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?
socaltownie
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Golden One said:

socaltownie said:

Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.


So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

Not at all

But what is WORSE is threatening billions in federal support (NIH, NSF, Pell Grants, you name it) an coercing a university to follow an order that is likely to be found illegal for which THEY will be liable to the aggreveed player .

Read the order, the enforcement mechanism is the $$ that would be cut off if the universities don't follow this order.
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Golden One
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socaltownie said:

Golden One said:

socaltownie said:

Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.


So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

Not at all

But what is WORSE is threatening billions in federal support (NIH, NSF, Pell Grants, you name it) an coercing a university to follow an order that is likely to be found illegal for which THEY will be liable to the aggreveed player .

Read the order, the enforcement mechanism is the $$ that would be cut off if the universities don't follow this order.


Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.
socaltownie
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Golden One said:

socaltownie said:

Golden One said:

socaltownie said:

Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.


So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

Not at all

But what is WORSE is threatening billions in federal support (NIH, NSF, Pell Grants, you name it) an coercing a university to follow an order that is likely to be found illegal for which THEY will be liable to the aggreveed player .

Read the order, the enforcement mechanism is the $$ that would be cut off if the universities don't follow this order.


Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.


Ergo why i want yhe courts to stop ot
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calumnus
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Golden One said:

socaltownie said:

Golden One said:

socaltownie said:

Well it won't. The sad part is that universities (Trump doesn't give a ****) will be caught in the middle - because they put at risk federal funding. I would assume (hope) that some agent/player will be in federal court today filing a temporary injunction against this - the most aggrieved party would be someone seeking to transfer for a second time and thus denied an opportunity maximize their NIL.


So, you think the current f***ed up system is fine?

Not at all

But what is WORSE is threatening billions in federal support (NIH, NSF, Pell Grants, you name it) an coercing a university to follow an order that is likely to be found illegal for which THEY will be liable to the aggreveed player .

Read the order, the enforcement mechanism is the $$ that would be cut off if the universities don't follow this order.


Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

Exactly, this puts universities between a rock and a hard place.

If Trump really wanted to do something about this he would convene a bipartisan commission to draft a law that could get through Congress and he would sign.
Golden One
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calumnus said:

Golden One said:


Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

Exactly, this puts universities between a rock and a hard place.

If Trump really wanted to do something about this he would convene a bipartisan commission to draft a law that could get through Congress and he would sign.

He's sort of done that with his "Saving College Sports Roundtable" a few weeks ago that included Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, the NCAA president, Speaker Johnson, and a couple dozen others. This has led to the creation of 5 separate committees on legislation, rules, NCAA reform, media and player issues. I seriously doubt that anything will get done thru this Congress, though.
Chunger89
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https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/48387866/executive-order-limits-ncaa-athletes-five-years-one-transfer
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Golden One said:

calumnus said:

Golden One said:


Universities can also face legal action by the DOJ for not following an executive order.

Exactly, this puts universities between a rock and a hard place.

If Trump really wanted to do something about this he would convene a bipartisan commission to draft a law that could get through Congress and he would sign.

He's sort of done that with his "Saving College Sports Roundtable" a few weeks ago that included Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, the NCAA president, Speaker Johnson, and a couple dozen others. This has led to the creation of 5 separate committees on legislation, rules, NCAA reform, media and player issues. I seriously doubt that anything will get done thru this Congress, though.


You can't do something like this by executive order. Agree Congress won't do anything, but that is the gridlock that is our government. This will get thrown out.
wifeisafurd
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I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...
socaltownie
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wifeisafurd said:

I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).
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sycasey
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There is no way that Trump actually has the power to do this. It's a performative order.
MiZery
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He said bipartisan. Not Ted Cruz and Ron Desantis
calumnus
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socaltownie said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).


You are missing the point. If the White House coerces the universities into breaking the antitrust laws by withholding funds if they don't break the laws, it will still be the universities that are sued by the student athletes and will pay the (potentially treble) damages.

It is not a solution. It just puts the universities in a terrible position. It is not like the universities wanted the current situation and need to be coerced to have things go back to the way they were. The universities liked the old system. The Supreme Court (unanimously) ruled it was illegal. The law needs to be changed and that is done through Congress, not presidential fiat or coercion.
Golden One
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MiZery said:

He said bipartisan. Not Ted Cruz and Ron Desantis


Unfortunately, the Democrats won't participate in anything established by Trump. Thus, a bipartisan effort involving Democrat politicians is not possible.
MiZery
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Like the bipartisan First Step Act? They have worked with Trump when their interests have aligned but not when they oppose his policies

Meanwhile - Ted Cruz freely admitted to not even once meeting Joe Biden during his presidency. He was part of this task force.

Also - what has Trump said about democrats during his presidency?
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socaltownie said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).


This seems like arguing that if the president signs an executive order withholding funds unless you murder somebody, it absolves you from committing murder.

The last few presidencies have really messed with Americans heads thinking that presidents can just declare laws into existence by executive order. That is not how things work
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BearlyCareAnymore said:

socaltownie said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).


This seems like arguing that if the president signs an executive order withholding funds unless you murder somebody, it absolves you from committing murder.

The last few presidencies have really messed with Americans heads thinking that presidents can just declare laws into existence by executive order. That is not how things work

Again - I this is more of a legal than a sports question but....

1) I KNOW that Pell eligibility is tied to certain institutional characteristics. One is that you have to be accredited by a regional accrediting body. Universities essentially form and run those. So it isn't Anti-trust to do that.

2) _IF_ one wanted to (and the underlying authorizing statutes provide executive power to further refine the regulations (see below) I am asking why one could not use the same mechanism to enact _SOME_ of the proposed reforms in SCORE? As I noted you likely could not touch NIL or collectives because that feels like a restrain on trade. But I don't see why you couldn't leverage Pell to limit unlimited transfers or to try to get a handle on how many years a player actually gets.

Again, nothing says they are telling the university or player that they can't do this (just like anyone can put up a shingle and start offering degrees)....you just are not going to be able to get your students to be able to get Pells.
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socaltownie said:

BearlyCareAnymore said:

socaltownie said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm just not seeing the authority the executive brach has to unilaterally regulate college sports and overturn the anti-trust law. I'm willing to listen to a cogent legal argument otherwise...

Not from me.

However........

(and not saying this is good politics and not saying it is good for AD).

Could you not tie the serious money on meeting certain floors? In other words, it is not anti-trust to enforce certain standards of behavior/prequalifications for federal money. For example, if you are not accredited you don't get Pell $$$ (which for most schools is an essential death sentance).

Now SOME of the things in the EO are just stupid. But would it be against Anti-Trust law to say that to be eligilbe for Pell if you are a member of the CFP you must, for example, allow only those 24 and younger to participate, fund Y number of full scholarships outside of FB and MBB, prohibit students who have attended more than 2 institutions of higher education from participating in sports until 11 months after enrollment? Schools that satisfied those requirements would be eligilbe for pells. Those that did not, are not. They can still play college sports, they just implode because their students are not eligible for federal financial aid.

(BTW - I think this would still take legislative action since pell is part of the higher ed authorization legislation and if you could get them to do THIS you probably could get congress to pass the SCORE act/something like it).


This seems like arguing that if the president signs an executive order withholding funds unless you murder somebody, it absolves you from committing murder.

The last few presidencies have really messed with Americans heads thinking that presidents can just declare laws into existence by executive order. That is not how things work

Again - I this is more of a legal than a sports question but....

1) I KNOW that Pell eligibility is tied to certain institutional characteristics. One is that you have to be accredited by a regional accrediting body. Universities essentially form and run those. So it isn't Anti-trust to do that.

2) _IF_ one wanted to (and the underlying authorizing statutes provide executive power to further refine the regulations (see below) I am asking why one could not use the same mechanism to enact _SOME_ of the proposed reforms in SCORE? As I noted you likely could not touch NIL or collectives because that feels like a restrain on trade. But I don't see why you couldn't leverage Pell to limit unlimited transfers or to try to get a handle on how many years a player actually gets.

Again, nothing says they are telling the university or player that they can't do this (just like anyone can put up a shingle and start offering degrees)....you just are not going to be able to get your students to be able to get Pells.


What the hell does how many transfers a basketball player can have have to do with administering Pell? This is the flipping thing people do not get and frankly it is disturbing that we've come to a place where you think it is desirable for our government to work this way. When the executive branch draws up regulation they are supposed to be related to the damn thing they have authority to administer. They can't say "I like red. Paint all your buildings red or you aren't qualified for Pell grants". This is not how things are effing supposed to work. The federal government is not supposed to interfere in how non-federal things are run except in very limited circumstances. So you think that the ability to have reasonable requirements for a school to meet to essentially demonstrate that they aren't a fraudster, like becoming accredited, means they should be able to regulate things that are not remotely related to academic viability just to extort a result? You think that is a great idea? They should be able to tell the number one public university they aren't academically qualified to get Pell grants because they want athletes to be able to transfer twice? Oh, yeah. That's awesome. What else should they be able to tell them to do?

What if the next President says "I think revenue sports are antithetical to academics. No sports or no Pells. Or No TV and tickets are all $10 or no Pells." Is that seriously what you want?

Look, presidents have tried to stretch the power to grant executive orders and have gotten knocked back by the courts for it. Trump has been particularly strident in this and has used the delay in things to get through the court system as leverage. But for the most part he has ultimately lost UNLESS THE THING HE IS DOING IS RELATED TO THE POWER HE HAS BEEN GRANTED. Like Congress made highway funds contingent upon states adopting highway safety laws. Not making them related to whether you allow abortion or gay marriage.

Using federal funds to extort results from universities is not only illegal, it is an extremely bad idea because if they can do that to put in place that policy you really like, they can do it to put in place that policy you don't like.

These used to be things that we all agreed upon. That federal government had limited powers to do things to promote the general welfare and otherwise not interfere with everything we do. That it was a bad idea to give them beyond that power. And to the extent that they exercised that power they did so through the passing of laws through the House and Senate and the President to try and ensure the agreement of the people with that exercise. I get that people are frustrated that it is so hard to get anything done through Congress because they don't agree on anything, but they largely don't agree on anything because we don't agree on anything. (Though I would argue that the filibuster is screwing things up)

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SCT: the ONLY solution is legislative action. The Prez can issue any EO, and the courts can over-rule it if it exceeds Congressional intent in the written law(s). If Congress wanted to give teh ncaa the ability to limit transfers, they could write a law to do so. Congress has chosen not to.
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OC Bear said:

SCT: the ONLY solution is legislative action. The Prez can issue any EO, and the courts can over-rule it if it exceeds Congressional intent in the written law(s). If Congress wanted to give teh ncaa the ability to limit transfers, they could write a law to do so. Congress has chosen not to.


From ChatGTP:

As of April 2026, the primary bipartisan effort in the U.S. Senate focusing on NCAA sports law, NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness), and revenue sharing is led by Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, and Eric Schmitt (R-MO).

They are currently spearheading a new legislative effort, having released a bipartisan discussion draft in March 2026 known as the College Sports Competitiveness Act.

Here are the key details of the current bipartisan efforts:
The College Sports Competitiveness Act (Schmitt-Cantwell): Introduced in March 2026, this proposed legislation aims to solve revenue challenges by allowing colleges to jointly sell media rights and providing an antitrust exemption for college football. It seeks to generate more revenue, support women's and Olympic sports, and create a 14-member board to govern these changes.
Senate Negotiations (Cruz-Cantwell): Separately, Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Maria Cantwell have been actively negotiating to produce a bipartisan bill focused on the "employment" debate, aiming to prevent college athletes from being deemed employees of their schools while attempting to stabilize NIL and transfers.
Other Key Legislators: Senators Cory Booker (D-NJ), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Jerry Moran (R-KS) have previously worked on bipartisan discussion drafts, including the Student Athlete Fairness and Enforcement (SAFE) Act.
The SCORE Act: Earlier bipartisan attempts included the Student Compensation and Opportunity through Rights and Endorsements (SCORE) Act (H.R. 4312), which was introduced in the House in 2025 to create national NIL standards and establish that athletes are not employees, though it faced opposition.

Main Obstacles: The primary hurdle for these bipartisan groups remains reaching a consensus on whether athletes should be considered employees and how to handle antitrust protections, with Democrats often pushing for collective bargaining rights and Republicans opposing them.
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So it's bipartisan then?
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calumnus said:

OC Bear said:

SCT: the ONLY solution is legislative action. The Prez can issue any EO, and the courts can over-rule it if it exceeds Congressional intent in the written law(s). If Congress wanted to give teh ncaa the ability to limit transfers, they could write a law to do so. Congress has chosen not to.


From ChatGTP:

As of April 2026, the primary bipartisan effort in the U.S. Senate focusing on NCAA sports law, NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness), and revenue sharing is led by Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, and Eric Schmitt (R-MO).

They are currently spearheading a new legislative effort, having released a bipartisan discussion draft in March 2026 known as the College Sports Competitiveness Act.

Here are the key details of the current bipartisan efforts:
The College Sports Competitiveness Act (Schmitt-Cantwell): Introduced in March 2026, this proposed legislation aims to solve revenue challenges by allowing colleges to jointly sell media rights and providing an antitrust exemption for college football. It seeks to generate more revenue, support women's and Olympic sports, and create a 14-member board to govern these changes.
Senate Negotiations (Cruz-Cantwell): Separately, Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Maria Cantwell have been actively negotiating to produce a bipartisan bill focused on the "employment" debate, aiming to prevent college athletes from being deemed employees of their schools while attempting to stabilize NIL and transfers.
Other Key Legislators: Senators Cory Booker (D-NJ), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Jerry Moran (R-KS) have previously worked on bipartisan discussion drafts, including the Student Athlete Fairness and Enforcement (SAFE) Act.
The SCORE Act: Earlier bipartisan attempts included the Student Compensation and Opportunity through Rights and Endorsements (SCORE) Act (H.R. 4312), which was introduced in the House in 2025 to create national NIL standards and establish that athletes are not employees, though it faced opposition.

Main Obstacles: The primary hurdle for these bipartisan groups remains reaching a consensus on whether athletes should be considered employees and how to handle antitrust protections, with Democrats often pushing for collective bargaining rights and Republicans opposing them.

In my opinion it is absolutely ridiculous to put limits on player's ability to sell their services on the free market without putting the same limits on coaches and administrators and requiring universities to share a negotiated percentage of revenues with players.

If you are going to limit the player's salaries or their ability to seek higher salaries from another employer on the free market like the rest of us can do, then there should be a guaranteed salary in return and there should be equally restrictive limits on salaries of coaches and administrators. If you are going to limit the player's ability to transfer to a different school to once in a five year period, then coaches have to commit to their job for 5 years before accepting a position elsewhere.

The problem didn't start with players getting rights. The problem started because universities and administrators and coaches were massively exploiting the player's standing as student athletes to extract massive value out of them while giving them little in return. No one seems to be dealing with that end of the problem. It is not acceptable for coaches to be able to work for $5M-$10M a year and seek employment elsewhere at will in order to up their salary or use as bargaining leverage with their current employer while trapping players at a low salary or no salary and not allowing them to bargain by testing the free market. The system was already broken it is just that the profound impacts of the broken system have shifted from the players to the fans.

I know it sucks for us, but when free agency hit things adjusted, collective bargaining agreements were signed, and we all got adjusted to a new norm. Collective bargaining would resolve many of the issues. I would start by considering a form of restricted free agency where the players get to transfer once for any reason and thereafter they are able to test the market and their school can stop the transfer only by offering matching financial terms.


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BearlyCareAnymore said:

calumnus said:

OC Bear said:

SCT: the ONLY solution is legislative action. The Prez can issue any EO, and the courts can over-rule it if it exceeds Congressional intent in the written law(s). If Congress wanted to give teh ncaa the ability to limit transfers, they could write a law to do so. Congress has chosen not to.


From ChatGTP:

As of April 2026, the primary bipartisan effort in the U.S. Senate focusing on NCAA sports law, NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness), and revenue sharing is led by Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, and Eric Schmitt (R-MO).

They are currently spearheading a new legislative effort, having released a bipartisan discussion draft in March 2026 known as the College Sports Competitiveness Act.

Here are the key details of the current bipartisan efforts:
The College Sports Competitiveness Act (Schmitt-Cantwell): Introduced in March 2026, this proposed legislation aims to solve revenue challenges by allowing colleges to jointly sell media rights and providing an antitrust exemption for college football. It seeks to generate more revenue, support women's and Olympic sports, and create a 14-member board to govern these changes.
Senate Negotiations (Cruz-Cantwell): Separately, Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Maria Cantwell have been actively negotiating to produce a bipartisan bill focused on the "employment" debate, aiming to prevent college athletes from being deemed employees of their schools while attempting to stabilize NIL and transfers.
Other Key Legislators: Senators Cory Booker (D-NJ), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Jerry Moran (R-KS) have previously worked on bipartisan discussion drafts, including the Student Athlete Fairness and Enforcement (SAFE) Act.
The SCORE Act: Earlier bipartisan attempts included the Student Compensation and Opportunity through Rights and Endorsements (SCORE) Act (H.R. 4312), which was introduced in the House in 2025 to create national NIL standards and establish that athletes are not employees, though it faced opposition.

Main Obstacles: The primary hurdle for these bipartisan groups remains reaching a consensus on whether athletes should be considered employees and how to handle antitrust protections, with Democrats often pushing for collective bargaining rights and Republicans opposing them.

In my opinion it is absolutely ridiculous to put limits on player's ability to sell their services on the free market without putting the same limits on coaches and administrators and requiring universities to share a negotiated percentage of revenues with players.

If you are going to limit the player's salaries or their ability to seek higher salaries from another employer on the free market like the rest of us can do, then there should be a guaranteed salary in return and there should be equally restrictive limits on salaries of coaches and administrators. If you are going to limit the player's ability to transfer to a different school to once in a five year period, then coaches have to commit to their job for 5 years before accepting a position elsewhere.

The problem didn't start with players getting rights. The problem started because universities and administrators and coaches were massively exploiting the player's standing as student athletes to extract massive value out of them while giving them little in return. No one seems to be dealing with that end of the problem. It is not acceptable for coaches to be able to work for $5M-$10M a year and seek employment elsewhere at will in order to up their salary or use as bargaining leverage with their current employer while trapping players at a low salary or no salary and not allowing them to bargain by testing the free market. The system was already broken it is just that the profound impacts of the broken system have shifted from the players to the fans.

I know it sucks for us, but when free agency hit things adjusted, collective bargaining agreements were signed, and we all got adjusted to a new norm. Collective bargaining would resolve many of the issues. I would start by considering a form of restricted free agency where the players get to transfer once for any reason and thereafter they are able to test the market and their school can stop the transfer only by offering matching financial terms.




1) No doubt that this reordering in power was long overdue.

2) But this new world order is going to have profound impacts on higher education just at the same time it is grappling with significant pressures on both the topline and in cost categories. Meanwhile reordering the expenses seems, at least in the short term, fairly problematic.

2.5) Case immediate in point - none of the insiders was calling to pay Tosh less (or not get Tosh and pay less to free up money for the players). Rather Pay Tosh MORE and pay players MORE. I guess hope that you can right size the AD - at the same time you are adding very well compensated GMs for both football and MBB. I guess hope that these extra multi-year expenses are covered by increased multi-year philanthropy. Fingers crossed.

3) A serious challenge is whether the players are employees. Neither side wants that but also isn't clear you can get a functioning CBO system without it.

4) Whether or not "fans" pay the price feels "meh". As SB and others have pointed out, in the brave new world in many ways people are going to make choices about the product and can walk away if they don't like it. Arguably given attedance a number of folks have.

4.5) A bigger issue from a fans standpoint is competitive balance. Without something in place we are going to see things look like MLB - where the very best resourced programs horde ALL the talent. The programs best able to do that will be those that figure out the answer to "Just have the Whales fund it all" because that model is not sustainable when donor fatigue kicks in. Interesting things going on at LSU and Penn State to solve that problem by leveraging their massive and committed fan base. I have to believe that tOSU and Texas will be following in short order.

5) But mostly it is worrisome about the university. To me that will always be the first priority - how can it be ensured that an ancilliary activity doesn't financially threaten UCB? If those firewalls are in place I could care less. But if we get to the point that the transfers start to hit 100 million to shore up a "nice to have" without a clear link to the overall business model then probably time to start having hard and honest conversations. What I fear is that in a zero sum activity like Football we will be there soon.. Again, a though experiment. Lets say we get close but no cigar for getting to the CFP. Do you not think there will be HUGE pressure to pay JKS what he could get in the NFL (or from a blue blood) to have him come back to help us be "relevant"? And if the Administration fails to meet that number what is the negative consequence in the short term with donors? And if it does do that - at the same time given the budget cycle UC is up in Sacramento in a hard budget fight - what then?


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SCT: the ONLY solution is legislative action. The Prez can issue any EO, and the courts can over-rule it if it exceeds Congressional intent in the written law(s). If Congress wanted to give teh ncaa the ability to limit transfers, they could write a law to do so. Congress has chosen not to.


From ChatGTP:

As of April 2026, the primary bipartisan effort in the U.S. Senate focusing on NCAA sports law, NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness), and revenue sharing is led by Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, and Eric Schmitt (R-MO).

They are currently spearheading a new legislative effort, having released a bipartisan discussion draft in March 2026 known as the College Sports Competitiveness Act.

Here are the key details of the current bipartisan efforts:
The College Sports Competitiveness Act (Schmitt-Cantwell): Introduced in March 2026, this proposed legislation aims to solve revenue challenges by allowing colleges to jointly sell media rights and providing an antitrust exemption for college football. It seeks to generate more revenue, support women's and Olympic sports, and create a 14-member board to govern these changes.
Senate Negotiations (Cruz-Cantwell): Separately, Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Maria Cantwell have been actively negotiating to produce a bipartisan bill focused on the "employment" debate, aiming to prevent college athletes from being deemed employees of their schools while attempting to stabilize NIL and transfers.
Other Key Legislators: Senators Cory Booker (D-NJ), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Jerry Moran (R-KS) have previously worked on bipartisan discussion drafts, including the Student Athlete Fairness and Enforcement (SAFE) Act.
The SCORE Act: Earlier bipartisan attempts included the Student Compensation and Opportunity through Rights and Endorsements (SCORE) Act (H.R. 4312), which was introduced in the House in 2025 to create national NIL standards and establish that athletes are not employees, though it faced opposition.

Main Obstacles: The primary hurdle for these bipartisan groups remains reaching a consensus on whether athletes should be considered employees and how to handle antitrust protections, with Democrats often pushing for collective bargaining rights and Republicans opposing them.

In my opinion it is absolutely ridiculous to put limits on player's ability to sell their services on the free market without putting the same limits on coaches and administrators and requiring universities to share a negotiated percentage of revenues with players.

If you are going to limit the player's salaries or their ability to seek higher salaries from another employer on the free market like the rest of us can do, then there should be a guaranteed salary in return and there should be equally restrictive limits on salaries of coaches and administrators. If you are going to limit the player's ability to transfer to a different school to once in a five year period, then coaches have to commit to their job for 5 years before accepting a position elsewhere.

The problem didn't start with players getting rights. The problem started because universities and administrators and coaches were massively exploiting the player's standing as student athletes to extract massive value out of them while giving them little in return. No one seems to be dealing with that end of the problem. It is not acceptable for coaches to be able to work for $5M-$10M a year and seek employment elsewhere at will in order to up their salary or use as bargaining leverage with their current employer while trapping players at a low salary or no salary and not allowing them to bargain by testing the free market. The system was already broken it is just that the profound impacts of the broken system have shifted from the players to the fans.

I know it sucks for us, but when free agency hit things adjusted, collective bargaining agreements were signed, and we all got adjusted to a new norm. Collective bargaining would resolve many of the issues. I would start by considering a form of restricted free agency where the players get to transfer once for any reason and thereafter they are able to test the market and their school can stop the transfer only by offering matching financial terms.




1) No doubt that this reordering in power was long overdue.

2) But this new world order is going to have profound impacts on higher education just at the same time it is grappling with significant pressures on both the topline and in cost categories. Meanwhile reordering the expenses seems, at least in the short term, fairly problematic.

2.5) Case immediate in point - none of the insiders was calling to pay Tosh less (or not get Tosh and pay less to free up money for the players). Rather Pay Tosh MORE and pay players MORE. I guess hope that you can right size the AD - at the same time you are adding very well compensated GMs for both football and MBB. I guess hope that these extra multi-year expenses are covered by increased multi-year philanthropy. Fingers crossed.

3) A serious challenge is whether the players are employees. Neither side wants that but also isn't clear you can get a functioning CBO system without it.

4) Whether or not "fans" pay the price feels "meh". As SB and others have pointed out, in the brave new world in many ways people are going to make choices about the product and can walk away if they don't like it. Arguably given attedance a number of folks have.

4.5) A bigger issue from a fans standpoint is competitive balance. Without something in place we are going to see things look like MLB - where the very best resourced programs horde ALL the talent. The programs best able to do that will be those that figure out the answer to "Just have the Whales fund it all" because that model is not sustainable when donor fatigue kicks in. Interesting things going on at LSU and Penn State to solve that problem by leveraging their massive and committed fan base. I have to believe that tOSU and Texas will be following in short order.

5) But mostly it is worrisome about the university. To me that will always be the first priority - how can it be ensured that an ancilliary activity doesn't financially threaten UCB? If those firewalls are in place I could care less. But if we get to the point that the transfers start to hit 100 million to shore up a "nice to have" without a clear link to the overall business model then probably time to start having hard and honest conversations. What I fear is that in a zero sum activity like Football we will be there soon.. Again, a though experiment. Lets say we get close but no cigar for getting to the CFP. Do you not think there will be HUGE pressure to pay JKS what he could get in the NFL (or from a blue blood) to have him come back to help us be "relevant"? And if the Administration fails to meet that number what is the negative consequence in the short term with donors? And if it does do that - at the same time given the budget cycle UC is up in Sacramento in a hard budget fight - what then?




SCT - my big disagreement with you here is that this has a profound impact on higher education. It doesn't have to if school's would stop being immature babies thinking they can measure their value by the quality of their football team and throwing outsized cash at them. It can only have an impact on higher education if the schools choose to let it. They could opt out. For instance, Cal has not made money off athletics in forever. Cal loses more and more every year. Cal isn't hurt by the extra cost of giving players a fair deal unless Cal chooses to participate.

If the schools set up a system that relied on essentially high value labor providing their work for free they cannot complain when that high value labor is able to charge market rate.

But the bottom line is sports are a wanna have, not a need to have. If schools can't afford it they have a choice. Players shouldn't have to subsidize their desire. Especially when in the case of football they risk catastrophic injury and severe repetitive injury every time they walk on the field.

As for competitive balance, we've never had that. If you look at the top 25 over 5 decades, you will find the same teams dominating it most of the time. We had that for years with donors at big programs, not able to pay players (legally), diverting money into what they could - coaches and facilities. Bruce Snyder got hired away from Cal for the equivalent of less than $1.2M in today's dollars. Let that sink in. Schools built weight rooms so that every guy on the team could simultaneously bench press. They gave recruits and players goodies instead of cash. The arms race has been unyielding and it isn't going to stop because you put limits on players.

The main reason schools are mad is because donors are going directly to the players with their money and cutting the schools out of the deal. And yes, their product is less attractive because they can't guarantee the fans the same roster year in and year out (which was exactly baseball owners argument against free agency).

Yes, if JKS keeps developing and Cal wants to keep him, they will have to pay him a lot. So? Why should JKS keep the football program afloat?

The consequences to donors of the general fund is enormously overblown.

1. The donations to athletics are a grain on the sand of the beach compared to the general fund. If donors cared that much, they could shift a small portion of their general fund donations to athletics and the athletics programs would be flush. They keep choosing not to.

2. Historically, Cal has had some of its biggest fundraising when the revenue sports have sucked. And you cannot find a correlation between football or basketball success and donations to the general fund. The correlation is to donations to the ATHLETIC programs.

3. Not JKS' problem. If losing JKS is going to cost the university $100M in donations, (it won't) I'd suggest they pay the man.
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