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WantARoseBowlB4IDie
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Easy to say if you are not one of the students, faculty or staff on the receiving end.

Finnish Oski
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What was "easy to say" is both the facts as generally reported in the press and what I've gotten from niece who is a student there. You can't dismiss counter narratives because they are not given by victims. Are you a victim or merely someone regurgitating what one Twitter (an unreliable source if there ever was one) account is claiming?
ClayK
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annarborbear said:

ClayK said:

There are three things Naya does not do well: Defend, pass and rebound (especially on the defensive end).

There is one things Naya does well: Score. And to do so, she shoots more times per minute on the floor than anyone else.

So what everyone in the gym sees is Naya scoring. What the coaches see is the player she's guarding scoring more than her average, Naya shooting every time she touches it, Naya having 11 assists in 401 minutes (to 33 turnovers), and Naya getting fewer defensive rebounds per minute than Gisella Maul.



Just to add to the discussion, here are the per minute stat comparisons of Walker and Ojukwu:

Points Per Minute
Walker 0.46
Ojukwu 0.61

Rebounds Per Minute
Walker 0.26
Ojukwu 0.27

Assists Per Minute
Walker 0.05
Ojukwu 0.03

TO's Per Minute
Walker 0.95
Ojukwu 0.84

That looks pretty good for a player that had to play out of position at the 5 all season.

And Walker also had fewer defensive rebounds per minute than Maul. But that is not a negative. It is a positive for Maul.

Naya also shot 50% from the floor. So that is someone who should be taking those shots. When Claudia was in instead, she shot 29.6%.

I would say our biggest problem is not having anyone with a mid-range game. Posts have very difficult situations on the offensive end when they have to do everything themselves inside of the perimeter, and with telegraphed passes inside being the norm. Both Barnes and Lulu should be encouraged to take mid-range shots next season.

Good stuff. Just one clarification: I was specifying defensive rebounds. Naya's focus on offense is a positive some of the time, but the modern theory (though some are going against the tide) is that offensive rebounds are less important than stopping transition baskets. So selling out for an OR and not getting it can result in a good look at the other end.

The analytics support that. (They also support shooting threes instead of mid-range shots. Players convert threes at the same percentage as mid-range, overall -- so do you want three points or two?)

The biggest issue for Naya is defensive, and the second is what she does when the ball is not in her hands. There are ten players on the court, and one ball, so raw percentages say you do not have the ball 90% of the time.

And of course you defend 50% of the time, and I would love to see some defensive metrics -- but the Cal public stats are so old school that they don't tell you nearly as much as you'd like.
annarborbear
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I wish we also had some season-long plus/minus stats. It seems like every time I looked at Naya's plus/minus on Live Stats for a single game, it was a positive not a negative. And her other value was simply giving Walker a rest. Walker did seem to have some stamina problems in back-to-back -games when playing heavy minutes,
HoopDreams
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Clay said: Just one clarification: I was specifying defensive rebounds. Naya's focus on offense is a positive some of the time, but the modern theory (though some are going against the tide) is that offensive rebounds are less important than stopping transition baskets. So selling out for an OR and not getting it can result in a good look at the other end.


You are right about defensive rebounds. If you strategy off missed shots is to get back on defense to avoid points off of fast breaks the trade off is fewer defensive rebounds

With that strategy you hopefully have a strong rebounding center / PF so you still get some OR.

Yes stats also support shooting threes instead of mid-range shots but the best offensive players can score at all 3 levels. That's the next improvement for Lulu.

A midrange shot would have been more effective vs Columbia's drop coverage defense.

Whereas two Columbia players were masters of the midrange and they used it extensively when Walker was in drop coverage defense
WantARoseBowlB4IDie
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Clearly not worth debating this with you. I know folks who were DIRECTLY impacted. There's also plenty of video & reporting that clearly showed the rioters completely taking over. Not that you care.
Finnish Oski
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Clearly not worth debating this with you. I know folks who were DIRECTLY impacted. There's also plenty of video & reporting that clearly showed the rioters completely taking over. Not that you care.

I was going to let this go until I saw that last line, "not that you care." I can only surmise from it that you're a complete and utter jerk. Of course I care. I care about anyone being oppressed, mistreated or discriminated against. That just ruined my day. Not that YOU care. Screw you.
stu
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I remember riots at Cal in the late 1960s. In all cases I witnessed the rioters had a point and every reason to be angry but their actions often harmed inappropriate targets or unintended victims. I have no first hand knowledge about the riots at Columbia but I'll ask a current student I know.
 
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