The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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How many Russian soldiers died in the war with Ukraine https://en.zona.media/article/2026/06/05/casualties_eng-trl
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bearister said:

Why is such a large segment of MAGA pro Russia/Putin?

Contrarianism to the Establishment: Because the traditional political and foreign policy establishment in Washington broadly supports Ukraine, MAGA figures often take the opposite stance as part of their broader rejection of the political status quo. Cato Institute

Some elements of the movement view Russia under Vladimir Putin as a defender of traditional, conservative Christian values. They contrast this with what they perceive as the "woke," progressive, and secular culture of Western institutions and the Ukrainian. The Globalist

Donald Trump and certain other MAGA leaders have historically praised Putin's strongman style of leadership and absolute control over his country, viewing him as a more effective and decisive leader than democratic politicians. The Globalist



Trump and Putin are part of the same global autocratic team. They help each other.
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How interesting that The New York Times team edited out any reference to Putin's reminder that we'd recently tried to assassinate him.

Apparently it still bugs Putin.

But The Times doesn't thinks that's news you need. You'll have to do without the reminder that we probably tried to kill Putin and his wife and two kids, as you struggle to decide how much longer, as a U.S. citizen and voter, you want to spend billions of dollars on weapons to blow apart not just the Donbas, but now even Moscow and St. Petersburg, all while you yourself are targeted by city-vaporizing Russian missiles that could be here within 15 minutes. Good luck!

In summary: In recent days both Zelensky and Putin have again referenced an attack on Putin's home and family carried out by U.S.-supported Ukrainian drones. This is the same attack that Trump initially believed in but then scoffed at, after the CIA formally told him it never happened.

But it clearly did happen.

Which suggests that the CIA is giving false briefings to the president.

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According to this report from 2019 from ARTE, a Franco-German public TV network, 1 in 10 child trafficked around the world came from Ukraine. That traffic must have certainly worsened during the war with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children orphaned by this war.



That kind of reporting from the MSM hasn't been done since 2022.
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EU warmongering.



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dajo9 said:

Trump and Putin are part of the same global autocratic team. They help each other.

naw, the enslaved / blackmailed one has to serve the other
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UK leading their proxy war?

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This is also how the Ukraine war will be remembered years from now, a useless fratricide, just like the Yugoslav wars:



Ahead of today's first World Cup game, Bosnian legend Edin Deko writes a letter to the children of Bosnia, reflecting on what it meant to survive war as a child and on the horrors still unfolding in the world today:

"In the end, we survived. Looking back, I'm amazed at how strong we were.
We were just little kids. But there was no point to the war.
All those innocent people killed, and for what?
For money. Power. Ego.
For nothing.
When there is war on the news today, I feel sick.
I don't want to see it anywhere.
For some reason, adults never learn."

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bearister said:

How many Russian soldiers died in the war with Ukraine https://en.zona.media/article/2026/06/05/casualties_eng-trl

25% volunteers....Whatcha smokin' bearister.....Those mamas not gonna let their boys march of Kiev....Or was it the North Korean soldiers who got slaughtered that comprised the volunteers. Sheesh.
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OdontoBear66 said:

bearister said:

How many Russian soldiers died in the war with Ukraine https://en.zona.media/article/2026/06/05/casualties_eng-trl

25% volunteers....Whatcha smokin' bearister.....Those mamas not gonna let their boys march of Kiev....Or was it the North Korean soldiers who got slaughtered that comprised the volunteers. Sheesh.


Bearister's BBC-affiliated source is actually pretty reliable, their 225k estimate is backed by a lot of research. They boosted their numbers up last year after coming under a lot of criticism, though their original methodology was sound.

When all is said and done, you will find out that Ukraine's losses are at least 6 times higher, and that their percentage of volunteers is a lot lower, as reflected by the countless videos of hapless middle aged men conscripted by force on city streets by goon squads.

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Ukraine military blew up a bus carrying schoolboys.

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Couldn't resist.

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Trump needs to lend Vance to Putin. Got to MOU this disaster
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chazzed said:

> I remain a master strategist.

sympathize w/doomed cannon fodder, frog marched from mother russia to their doom in Ukraine, but their fearless leader nope, not a bit.
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Cal88 said:

Ukraine military blew up a bus carrying schoolboys.




How often have you posted about Russians killing civilians?
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

Ukraine military blew up a bus carrying schoolboys.




How often have you posted about Russians killing civilians?


The Russians haven't been targeting civilians. Around 99% of Ukrainians killed in this war are soldiers. This is actually very unusual in warfare.

Kyiv has deliberately targeted Russian civilians, they have been bombing Donbas cities like Donetsk since 2014, and lately, hitting targets like nursing college dorms and civilian buses deep behind the frontlines.

You guys are just poorly informed, you think the side that literally worships a nazi war criminal Bandera as their founding father are the good guys.
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smh said:

chazzed said:

> I remain a master strategist.

sympathize w/doomed cannon fodder, frog marched from mother russia to their doom in Ukraine, but their fearless leader nope, not a bit.


The Russian army is mainly staffed by volunteers, while the Ukrainian army today consists of a majority of forced conscripts.

Russia has lost around 225k killed, Ukraine over 1.5 million.



The mainstream consensus in favor of Ukraine has been built on a false narrative. I think old stereotypes about Russia play a big role in this wartime propaganda, not unlike in the middle east.

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Cal88 said:

smh said:

chazzed said:

> I remain a master strategist.

sympathize w/doomed cannon fodder, frog marched from mother russia to their doom in Ukraine, but their fearless leader nope, not a bit.



Russia has lost around 225k killed, Ukraine over 1.5 million.




This is false propaganda
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

smh said:

chazzed said:

> I remain a master strategist.

sympathize w/doomed cannon fodder, frog marched from mother russia to their doom in Ukraine, but their fearless leader nope, not a bit.



Russia has lost around 225k killed, Ukraine over 1.5 million.




This is false propaganda


BBC's Mediazona is a rare example of British MSM/NGO doing some solid reporting. I am using their estimate of Russian casualties.
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" Ukraine struck Moscow yesterday with a furious drone attack that appeared to be the largest of its kind in the more than four years since the war began. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine was clear about its intent. "If Ukraine burns, then your Moscow will burn as well," he said. The strikes destroyed an oil refinery, filling the skies with greasy, toxic smoke. They shuttered four airports. They closed down part of the highway that rings the city, which is home to 13 million people.

The objective, my colleagues Paul Sonne and Nataliya Vasilyeva said, was to bring the war home for Russians who live far from the front lines of eastern Ukraine. The attack "seemed likely to feed fears among Russians that the Kremlin's ability to isolate society from the impacts of the war was sharply eroding," they wrote.

The effects are mounting. Ukrainian drone attacks on other refineries have led to lines and rationing at gas stations across Russia. The war has started to take its toll on the Russian economy, too. It has now run longer than World War I.

Russia is pounding Ukraine as well. Earlier this week it bombarded Kyiv, the capital, leaving a historic cathedral at one of Ukraine's holiest sites in flames, killing five people and injuring 35 others.

But the attack on Moscow has made Russian hard-liners apoplectic. They want the Kremlin to deploy the full might of Russia's military to stop Ukraine from continuing its attacks within the country. "We must strike the enemy mercilessly, without hesitation," one told the Russian news outlet RTVI. He called on Moscow to "eliminate the entire leadership, destroy all command centers, bring the entire industrial sector to its knees."

Which is a good reminder that this war is far from over, and could get much worse. Paul and Nataliya wrote a terrifying sentence about that: "How much further Russia, which has the world's largest nuclear stockpile, can go with its conventional arsenal is unclear."
NYT

*Ukrainian drones are successfully penetrating Moscow's dense air defenses by overwhelming Russian systems with mass swarms, utilizing advanced low-altitude evasion tactics, and integrating faster jet-propelled missile drones.
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Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

smh said:

chazzed said:

> I remain a master strategist.

sympathize w/doomed cannon fodder, frog marched from mother russia to their doom in Ukraine, but their fearless leader nope, not a bit.



Russia has lost around 225k killed, Ukraine over 1.5 million.




This is false propaganda


BBC's Mediazona is a rare example of British MSM/NGO doing some solid reporting. I am using their estimate of Russian casualties.


No you aren't. And we have covered this multiple times before but all good <redacted to avoid suspension> just keep pushing the party line regardless. BBC / Mediazona is documenting who they can because Putin keeps it secret. According to BBC they agree with analysts who say their count only represents 45% - 65% of the total. (not to mention you continue to conflate killed and casualties in Russia's favor, which I have pointed out before)

Your number for Ukraine is a lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g44gprnnvo
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

smh said:

chazzed said:

> I remain a master strategist.

sympathize w/doomed cannon fodder, frog marched from mother russia to their doom in Ukraine, but their fearless leader nope, not a bit.



Russia has lost around 225k killed, Ukraine over 1.5 million.




This is false propaganda


BBC's Mediazona is a rare example of British MSM/NGO doing some solid reporting. I am using their estimate of Russian casualties.


No you aren't. And we have covered this multiple times before but all good <redacted to avoid suspension> just keep pushing the party line regardless. BBC / Mediazona is documenting who they can because Putin keeps it secret. According to BBC they agree with analysts who say their count only represents 45% - 65% of the total. (not to mention you continue to conflate killed and casualties in Russia's favor, which I have pointed out before)

Your number for Ukraine is a lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g44gprnnvo


Mediazona was coming under pressure because their numbers, which are vetted by a research team that has been using a sound methodology for years now, are just too low, so about a year ago, they've just slapped an asterisk on their count claiming that their research was an undercount.

You trust the GCHQ, British foreign intel service, I don't. My sources on this aren't Russian, they are from several data points and western independent analysts.

Ukraine's official number for their KIA to date is 55,000. Do you believe this? What is your estimate of Ukrainian KIAs?
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What's not talked about is how the tables have been turned on asymmetrical warfare both in Iran and Ukraine.
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Our political-media establishment is selling a long war to the public by pushing the narrative of Ukraine winning. As the proxy war against Russia is sold to the public as being driven by empathy for Ukrainians, it is important to defend that narrative from inconvenient facts about how NATO is fighting to the last Ukrainian to weaken a strategic rival.

Our politicians and "journalists" will not discuss the brutal NATO-funded recruitment, or "busification," of Ukrainian men, nor the horrific casualties. Empathy is weaponized for war, and it is problematic if the public concludes that perhaps weapons are not the path to peace, and perhaps diplomacy is not appeasement.

In the most recent exchange of fallen soldiers, Russia returned 522 bodies to Ukraine and Ukraine sent 33 bodies to Russia.

Marta Havryshko cites the following numbers:
According to the published body-exchange data, Ukraine received 18,346 bodies of fallen soldiers, while Russia received 590.

2026:
18 June: To Ukraine - 522, to Russia - 33.
15 May: To Ukraine - 526, to Russia - 41.
9 Apr.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 41.
15 May: To Ukraine - 526, to Russia - 41.
9 Apr.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 41.
26 Feb.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 30.
29 Jan.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 38.

2025:
20 Nov.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 30.
18 Sept.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 24.
19 Aug.: To Ukraine - 1000, to Russia - 19.
17 July: To Ukraine - 1000, To Russia - 17.
16 June: To Ukraine - 1245. To Russia - 78.
15 June: To Ukraine - 1200. ?
14 June: To Ukraine - 1200. ?
13 June: To Ukraine - 1200. ?
11 June: To Ukraine - 1212. To Russia - 27.
16 May: To Ukraine - 909. To Russia - 34.
18 April: To Ukraine - 909. To Russia - 41.
28 March: To Ukraine - 909. To Russia - 43.
14 Feb.: To Ukraine - 757. To Russia - 45.
24 Jan.: To Ukraine - 757. To Russia - 49.

*** These numbers are skewed by the fact that Russia is advancing, thus more bodies end up under Russian control. Yet, our incessant war propaganda also pushes the narrative that the frontlines are holding and that Ukraine is even retaking territory.

All media stories are designed to sell a long war and the facts get in the way. Empathy is only valuable to the extent NATO can send more Ukrainians to their deaths and make sure that the public does not ask why our leaders have boycotted diplomacy for more than 4 years. The public has been propagandised for 12 years to believe that ignoring what the majority of Ukrainians want is "pro-Ukraine", while challenging the narrative for a long war is "pro-Russian".
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chazzed said:

Couldn't resist.,

i read somewhere [citation needed] ukraine credits the blown big white circular retro tank cover not as something they did (gosh darnit) but struck by an unfortunate russian drone hunter/killer gone astray # cruel ha-ha goes here
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In between cocktails and removing minority group memorials and plaques, I sure hope Hegseth is directing our military to study drone warfare.
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I caught that too. If it's to be believed, here is a tweet that suggests the same thing.

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chazzed said:

I caught that too. If it's to be believed, here is a tweet that suggests the same thing.

thanks for confirmation chazzed. signed, if my head wasn't stuck it'd fall off.
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Anarchistbear said:

What's not talked about is how the tables have been turned on asymmetrical warfare both in Iran and Ukraine.


We have to wait for a Democratic President for the media to freak out about that
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Anarchistbear said:

What's not talked about is how the tables have been turned on asymmetrical warfare both in Iran and Ukraine.

Yeah and this is the main reason the war is still going without Russia winning. It's not because they're holding back, it's because this is the best they can do.
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A recent podcast I listened to while driving, possibly Redacted, says Russia has encircled a large city / area, and victory is eminent. Further, Russia is committed to securing the four oblasts long sought, and the pace seems to be picking up.

A big chunk of the discussion was whether Russia would hit drone manufacturing sites in the EU - after Ukraine hits more Russian civilian sites / Belarus? - and risk dragging in the [depleted] EU militaries ... which really means the USA. [The UK recently had to borrow German military vessels?]

Hosts said Russia is very deliberate and understands said implications.
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Would this be a good time to visit Moscow?
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sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

What's not talked about is how the tables have been turned on asymmetrical warfare both in Iran and Ukraine.

Yeah and this is the main reason the war is still going without Russia winning. It's not because they're holding back, it's because this is the best they can do.


I am pro Ukrainian, but I disagree. Russia could kill a lot more civilians if they wanted to. Russia is fighting the war like a superpower with handcuffs on….like the U.S.fought in Vietnam.

During the Vietnam War the United States avoided bombing North Vietnam's vital dike and dam systems to prevent catastrophic civilian casualties (200k estimated deaths) to avoid drawing China or the Soviet Union into a wider war……..but if the North Vietnamese were lobbing drones into Washington D.C., who knows?
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chazzed said:

In between cocktails and removing minority group memorials and plaques, I sure hope Hegseth is directing our military to study drone warfare.

One of the most disappointing things about this war, to me (outside of the one million or so dead or maimed humans) is the Pentagon's lethargic adaptation to the latest warfare, i.e. drones. We had, what, three years of being able to see this play out before we attacked Iran, yet we're still shooting down cheap drones with expensive missiles?

We need to be able to pivot much faster, but I guess it's not surprising, considering the way our military is structured. Hegseth should be reforming this rather than spending his time trying to create a military filled with white, Christian men who can do a lot of pushups.
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