Some musings about the Democratic Party's deep challenge

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BearlySane88
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movielover said:

BearlySane88 said:




Recall?


That would be the fastest recall ever
movielover
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BearlySane88 said:

movielover said:

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Recall?


Fifty proposed tax increases or new taxes in a few weeks?

That would be the fastest recall ever
BearlySane88
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Two in two days
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BearlySane88 said:

Two in two days

It's hard to keep track:

Federal/national-level or high-profile elected officials:
  • Rep. Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (D-FL) Indicted in late 2025 for allegedly stealing $5 million in FEMA funds, laundering proceeds, and using them for illegal campaign contributions.
  • Rep. LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) Charged/indicted in 2025 for assaulting, impeding, or interfering with federal law enforcement (ICE officers) during a protest/inspection at an ICE detention center; faces potential years in prison.
  • Former Rep. TJ Cox (D-CA) Convicted of wire fraud (noted in 2025 records, though case originated earlier).
  • Former Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) Convicted in 2024 on 16 counts including bribery, acting as a foreign agent (sentencing delayed into 2025).
  • NYC Mayor Eric Adams (D) Indicted in 2024 on federal charges including wire fraud, bribery related to campaign contributions (ongoing as of late 2025).
  • Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX) Indicted in 2024 on bribery and related charges (pardoned by Trump in late 2025 before full resolution in some reports).
State/local-level examples (from Ballotpedia and similar sources, 2025-2026):
  • State Sen. Edgar Flores (D-NV) DUI arrest (2025).
  • State Sen. Ellie Boldman (D) Pleaded guilty to DUI (2025).
  • State Rep. Sonya Jaquez Lewis (D-CO) Forgery conviction (2026).
  • State Rep. Cecil Brockman (D-NC) Arrested/charged in 2025 with sex crimes involving a minor (process to remove from office began).
  • Various protest-related arrests (2025): e.g., Newark Mayor Ras Baraka (D) arrested briefly at ICE protest (charges dropped); multiple NY state Democratic lawmakers arrested during sit-ins at immigration facilities; Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan (D-affiliated) indicted for allegedly helping an undocumented defendant avoid ICE.
movielover
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Diez puntos.
BearlySane88
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Eastern Oregon Bear
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@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue
Eastern Oregon Bear
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BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.


Only one side shuns family members for having an opposing view, don't talk to me about both sides. If you want to ever have a serious conversation feel free but when all you can do is resort to TDS filled hatred, you become the bigot. Not me
Eastern Oregon Bear
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BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.


Only one side shuns family members for having an opposing view, don't talk to me about both sides. If you want to ever have a serious conversation feel free but when all you can do is resort to TDS filled hatred, you become the bigot. Not me

@australiawoma1 is one of my family members?

Note to the moderator: Look who resorted to personal attacks here.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.


Only one side shuns family members for having an opposing view, don't talk to me about both sides. If you want to ever have a serious conversation feel free but when all you can do is resort to TDS filled hatred, you become the bigot. Not me

@australiawoma1 is one of my family members?

Note to the moderator: Look who resorted to personal attacks here.


There is no personal attack lol and you clearly need to try reading my post again
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BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.


Only one side shuns family members for having an opposing view, don't talk to me about both sides. If you want to ever have a serious conversation feel free but when all you can do is resort to TDS filled hatred, you become the bigot. Not me

@australiawoma1 is one of my family members?

Note to the moderator: Look who resorted to personal attacks here.


There is no personal attack lol and you clearly need to try reading my post again

You're the one who called me a bigot because I disagreed with you.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.


Only one side shuns family members for having an opposing view, don't talk to me about both sides. If you want to ever have a serious conversation feel free but when all you can do is resort to TDS filled hatred, you become the bigot. Not me

@australiawoma1 is one of my family members?

Note to the moderator: Look who resorted to personal attacks here.


There is no personal attack lol and you clearly need to try reading my post again

You're the one who called me a bigot because I disagreed with you.


I called your tendencies to ignore posts and just make insults bigoted but if the shoe fits, wear it by all means
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.

Agreed. That story is fake.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.

If you'd read the rest, you'd find out that is indeed only about blaming the left.
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.

If you'd read the rest, you'd find out that is indeed only about blaming the left.


It's about finding a middle ground which the left has chosen not to do ever since they became afflicted with TDS
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.

If you'd read the rest, you'd find out that is indeed only about blaming the left.


It's about finding a middle ground which the left has chosen not to do ever since they became afflicted with TDS

Both sides need to find common ground. Nobody wins and little changes for the better if one side stands it's ground and concedes nothing.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

@australianwoma1? Sounds like another foreign bot trying to influence American politics.


Funny I haven't heard you say anything negative about the Irish guy living in the Netherlands who is interfering with American democracy and doxing ice agents repeatedly.

Clearly you didn't read what she wrote. Liberal vs conservative isn't an American issue, it's a global issue

I read the first few paragraphs and saw MAGA buzz words and finger pointing about how the left isn't trying to find middle ground without mentioning that it works both ways. At that point I decided cleaning the cat box was more important.

If you'd read the rest, you'd find out that is indeed only about blaming the left.


It's about finding a middle ground which the left has chosen not to do ever since they became afflicted with TDS

Both sides need to find common ground. Nobody wins and little changes for the better if one side stands it's ground and concedes nothing.

Being anti-illegal immigration was once common ground. See the Obama and Clinton presidencies.

sycasey
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Aunburdened said:



This guy was never going to support anyone on the left anyway.
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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:



This guy was never going to support anyone on the left anyway.

While true, the problem is that you know that everything in his critique is also true.

Meanwhile, you talk to me about legislative wins.
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:



This guy was never going to support anyone on the left anyway.

While true, the problem is that you know that everything in his critique is also true.

Meanwhile, you talk to me about legislative wins.

Some is true, some is not.
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The Democratic Party is collapsing in real time.
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Aunburdened said:




That must have been why this man lost.

Cults don't end well. They really don't.
movielover
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Hillary and DNC rigged it.

If the Democrats had any brains and restraint, and did something like Norway - where they socked away massive amounts of oil revenue in perpetuity - they could have a shot. (We don't have their restraint.) Or if they had appealed to the Reagan / Perot / Trump Democrats / blue collar crowd. How about if they even got tough on education like Mississippi? Not that bright? Copy their successful model!

But they're tied to NGOs, graft, failed programs, playing the Race Card, all in pursuit of power.

MAGA & President Trump brought the change, :

- Manufacturing flowing back in, including chips, steel, aluminum, cars, washing machines
- Massive investments, warehouses, manufacturing
- Tariff revenues exploding
- China having her wings cut (Xi battling to retain power)
- Energy and AI exploding (Democrats are at war w cheap energy), nuclear a rebirth
- BBB and tariffs aiding the above
- Border closed, Real Wages rising
- Iran and Venezuela hemmed in
- crooked CDC, FDA, etc., being analyzed
- MASSIVE fraud being uncovered, highlighted by an independent citizen journalist

It's really breathtaking to happen in 12 months, too bad his DOJ is so weak and ineffective.
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Spouse cheaters, it's time to "take back the narrative".
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I have ignored the rest of this thread, but here is my take when you asked what would you have the Dems do?:

1) Expand their coalition beyond the base. Some of this IMO is getting over the labeling issues and perceived overreaching ideology (I'm not saying abandon all civil rights efforts). I live in an area with a lot of mixed marriages (and gay marriages) and no husband or wife wants their spouse or child, or friends for that matter, to be put behind because they are not in a preferred heritage or class that for example, some school administrators for example, select over wine and cheese. Not to mention there is voter backlash to perceived "wokeness", anti-merit claims (which causes minority resentment), and the promoting of mandatory ideological conformity and overreaching on speech and everyday interaction. A lot of this seems so pretentious and formulated as to be counterproductive, as to seem essentially superficial "check-the-box" diversity efforts rather than substantive change. Changing the phrase master bedroom to primary bedroom doesn't do anything about police stops of black youths that go wrong. But right now the Democrats (and academics) are turning off large groups of people.
You guys are even getting crap on Netflix shows. I admit this means not avoiding hard topics or creating an echo chamber to only talk to voters who already agree with you.

2) Focus on economic anxietiy: cost of living fair game and jobs. And focus on that. Why the heck were Democrats afraid to discuss Biden's move to revitalize U.S. semiconductor manufacturing (which Trump continues) , with over $25 billion in incentives awarded and the elimination of government land use regulation which I might add resulted in thousands of jobs and almost a $ Trillion in private investments? Stop selling what is wrong with business. Most voters work for businesses, not the goverment. Avoid tariffs (unions and blue collar are pro protection, and almost everyone loves tariffs on Russia and China) and class warfare (many people have aspirations for being rich one day, and don't want some Sanders' type policies to take that all away). Lose the ideological fixations. This is somewhat critical as a record number of Democratic registered voters didn't vote in th the last election. Exactly why the Harris campaign's message, with all its spending and media support, didn't connect with so many vital base voters is a complex, not to mention that swing voters or ani-Trump GOP voters (e.g., Haley republicans) didn't break their way. As for the base, the Dems had a diverse ticket, mostly espoused all the correct progressive views, and presented a rosy picture of recovery of the post-C-19 economy. But a lot fhe the base didn't think the economy was rosy, and still don't. Young voters are especially pessimistic.

3) Change the message on immigration to be more moderate and consistent: This might apply to the GOP as well. Polls have shown people want the borders shut and some form off amnesty to those who have been here for some time. Immigration killed the Dems in 2024.

4) Stop arguing Republican issues: avoid law and order, tariffs (lot of the country wants protectionist policies), TRANs athletes (how many are there?), etc. Get out of the culture wars - like or not, and I don't, the country has moved conservative on social issues ever since 9/11. The GOP is vulnerable on the economy. Stay there.

5) Move on beyond Trump. He isn't running. Focus on the GOP ticket. By 2028 the voters may be looking for
someone with emotional and intellectual maturity and not another round of divisive political rhetoric. And avoid Biden betrayals, and avoiding having a battle tested campaigner be the candidate. No super-delegates, burying candidate worts. etc.

Listen, you asked...



 
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