Beat the Cardinal that isn't a color game thread

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m2bear
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Golden One said:

m2bear said:

Is UCLA ranked now? Or were they overrated?

Getting blown out at home by 30 points to a decent (not great) Louisville team lets me know how good Cal will be the rest of the season, not just tonight.

Wish I could sugar coat it.



Don't exaggerate. Louisville didn't defeat Cal by 30 points tonight. The final score was 90-70, and Cal cut the Louisville lead to 11 points with about 3 minutes left. This is a decent Cal team; they're just not good enough to beat a very good, 16th rated Louisville team.


And they were down by 25 points when I posted that with 10 minutes to go in the game.

Sunshine pump all you want.
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m2bear said:

socaltownie said:

m2bear said:

Is UCLA ranked now? Or were they overrated?

Getting blown out at home by 30 points to a decent (not great) Louisville team lets me know how good Cal will be the rest of the season, not just tonight.

Wish I could sugar coat it.


God and i thought i was negative.

Just reality.

Look at the scores around the country with the top 25 teams.

Example, tonight a 7-7 Florida State team lost by 13 points to the #12 team in the country (North Carolina) at North Carolina... not at home.

You shouldn't be 12-1 and lose to a decent not great team by 20 at home.

Sorry I can't serve you the Kool-aid you're thirsting for.


You're being unfairly negative. Louisville is a very good team, much better than decent. In fact, I bet they will be in the top 10 in a few weeks.
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A couple takeaways:

- I watched the Louisville loss to Arkansas in preseason and it was night and day in terms of how easy they could run their offense and shut down our defense today. We played hard but the altheticism and depth difference was stark.

- I think Bell as an off ball threat is our most reliable scoring option moving forward but we don't feature him nearly enough.

- He has shown that he can be both a movement shooter (the short inbounds 3 from TT during our brief run) as well as a pure spot up shooter (Pippen had a nice drive and dish in the first).

- Ames' size limitation was evident today and his diet of tough shot making will drop in efficiency as competition level increases.

- Pippen just isn't quite consistent enough to be the primary guy on offense. I also think he's better off ball but getting lots of quick touches around different parts of the court.
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Back from the Haas...

1. pretty big crowd (better than my expectations)... was it the late cheap seats offer?

2. we lost because we had too many lapses on defense: uncontested drives to the hoop and uncontested 3s

3. we also lost because we shot poorly (though many were contested)

Frustrating, but Louisville is the better team. We play 10 times and they win maybe 8 of 'em. We are on track to finish above .500 (overall) and make the NIT. This is a reasonable goal, considering our investment. This program could use a few more big donors.

Go Bears.
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Econ141 said:

barsad said:

Shocker… Cal food services not ready for a real crowd, lines are ridiculous. More missed $$ and goodwill opportunity, never ceases to amaze how bad the AD is on these basic things.
the lines were a complete joke! Everywhere on every floor. Complete fail. Second rate, no 3rd rate

A competent administrator would treat the team who is responsible for for GameDay experience to experience first hand what it's like to be a fan.
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socaltownie said:

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ManBearLion123 said:

m2bear said:

ManBearLion123 said:



The point being that you can't take the result of a single game and somehow use it to evaluate the entire season.

I didn't.

I gave you the example of the San Rafael game.

Dominican isn't a small school powerhouse like Gonzaga.

They would have a problem beating a good Branson or Drake team.


Again, we beat UCLA so that has already proven we can beat solid tourney-level teams. Louisville is just one of the top teams in the country this year.

And "Branson" is not the name of any D1 school so I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe learn a little bit more about CBB before issuing any further takes.


Branson and Drake are high school teams in Marin near Dominican and yes Dominican probably would struggle to beat them. As someone who grew up in the Bay Area when I saw that Cal was playing Dominican my first thought was "Dominican has a basketball team?" Followed by "The one in San Rafael? That is barely a real college" followed by "Cal is playing them!?!?!?!"

Scheduling Dominican is an absolute joke.

A key challenge is the lack of west coast opportunities. Did we really want to play (and lose) to st. Marys or UCSD again - bad losses and little upside for winning. I get the schedule. I also understand that the game might have filled a hole. We did NOT play well but we ended up winning going away once they shook off the funk. We are 12-2? I sure as heck did not have us at that - I thought we would struggle to win 10 games total.

There are about 75 D1 basketball schools in the West.
Between the former Pac-12, the new Pac-10, the WCC, the Big West, the MWC, the Big Sky… You should never need to play a D2 Dominican. The NCAA Net Ratings don't even include it in our record.
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Let's hope we can mop the floor on Friday with the leprechaun's face.

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So what? Just admit that you grossly exaggerated when you said we lost by 30 points. That was a lie. Show some integrity and admit it.
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Big C said:

Back from the Haas...

1. pretty big crowd (better than my expectations)... was it the late cheap seats offer?

2. we lost because we had too many lapses on defense: uncontested drives to the hoop and uncontested 3s

3. we also lost because we shot poorly (though many were contested)

Frustrating, but Louisville is the better team. We play 10 times and they win maybe 8 of 'em. We are on track to finish above .500 (overall) and make the NIT. This is a reasonable goal, considering our investment. This program could use a few more big donors.

Go Bears.

Losing to Louisville was expected and shouldn't affect our NCAA Tournament hopes. If we beat Notre Dame on Friday we are back on track. Then the big test will be getting a road win at VT (assuming we lose at Virginia).
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My takeaways having just gotten home…

1.) we were in the bonus with I think 12:36 left in the first half and only turned that into just 2 1 and 1s (in fact maybe it was only 1 since pippen' trip to the line was a shooting foul I believe) And even worse than face value, if memory serves correct we were taking the shot clock down to sub 10 seconds for pretty much every possession for the rest of the half settling for jumpers with 4 seconds on the clock. What the ****?
That simply cannot happen at any level of basketball ever. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Give the ball to dai dai, give the ball to TT and send them hard to the rim.
I'm still pissed about this and likely will be tomorrow as well.

2.) I'm really getting tired of watching our big jump out high to chase (but never actually trap) the ball handler like some sort of analog of a box and 1 defense. The problem is Dort isn't our best defender. And he isn't agile enough to make it back to the paint when someone cuts. Which is why he keeps getting burned. We did this last year with slightly better results with Sissoko but even then you look at games like the sdsu game and the same result aka burn all your energy running your bigs around to no effect.

3.) Louisville won't always shoot that well

4.) we won't always shoot that bad

5.) Chris bell needs to be featured more
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We are doing #2 because when we don't hedge (and we have been doing it better this year) then teams run high ball screens all day long for their three point shooters. The counter, as you note, is the pick and roll and last night we were AWFUL (here is where RP is so missed) in rotating over to take the charge/stop the roller.
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CNHTH said:

My takeaways having just gotten home…

1.) we were in the bonus with I think 12:36 left in the first half and only turned that into just 2 1 and 1s (in fact maybe it was only 1 since pippen' trip to the line was a shooting foul I believe) And even worse than face value, if memory serves correct we were taking the shot clock down to sub 10 seconds for pretty much every possession for the rest of the half settling for jumpers with 4 seconds on the clock. What the ****?
That simply cannot happen at any level of basketball ever. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Give the ball to dai dai, give the ball to TT and send them hard to the rim.
I'm still pissed about this and likely will be tomorrow as well.

2.) I'm really getting tired of watching our big jump out high to chase (but never actually trap) the ball handler like some sort of analog of a box and 1 defense. The problem is Dort isn't our best defender. And he isn't agile enough to make it back to the paint when someone cuts. Which is why he keeps getting burned. We did this last year with slightly better results with Sissoko but even then you look at games like the sdsu game and the same result aka burn all your energy running your bigs around to no effect.

3.) Louisville won't always shoot that well

4.) we won't always shoot that bad

5.) Chris bell needs to be featured more
.

We didn't shoot the ball well because of the team we were playing. At the game, and the difference was obvious. Louisville was a bigger, and more athletic team than us. Their 3 point shooting featured guys that had more range and quicker releases than our guys did. They played ultra aggressive defense on us even if it meant running up fouls. Our long half court possessions were not by choice, they were caused by the opponent.
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m2bear said:

So that's what a good, well coached basketball team looks like.


Yes, please.

Hey m2, I noticed that you rarely show up on the basketball board, (tonight and san rafael). Just a hunch, but I think that getting cynical is a real comfort for you.

If you've watched a decent share of Cal BB this year you would know that they are in fact, a well coached team. We weren't outcoached, Louisville was simply better. But you like to show up only when we play a top 20 team or an ultimate cupcake.

Do us a favor. If you're going to express your opinions on the Cal team, be decent enough to show up here consistently throughout the season, instead of basing your entire take on just 2 games. Otherwise, your cynicism is just as irrelevant as it is already annoying.
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CNHTH said:

My takeaways having just gotten home…

1.) we were in the bonus with I think 12:36 left in the first half and only turned that into just 2 1 and 1s (in fact maybe it was only 1 since pippen' trip to the line was a shooting foul I believe) And even worse than face value, if memory serves correct we were taking the shot clock down to sub 10 seconds for pretty much every possession for the rest of the half settling for jumpers with 4 seconds on the clock. What the ****?
That simply cannot happen at any level of basketball ever. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Give the ball to dai dai, give the ball to TT and send them hard to the rim.
I'm still pissed about this and likely will be tomorrow as well.

2.) I'm really getting tired of watching our big jump out high to chase (but never actually trap) the ball handler like some sort of analog of a box and 1 defense. The problem is Dort isn't our best defender. And he isn't agile enough to make it back to the paint when someone cuts. Which is why he keeps getting burned. We did this last year with slightly better results with Sissoko but even then you look at games like the sdsu game and the same result aka burn all your energy running your bigs around to no effect.

3.) Louisville won't always shoot that well

4.) we won't always shoot that bad

5.) Chris bell needs to be featured more
.
#2 was happening all night
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I knew better than to try to buy any food. Bring food or eat before. Of course the club room had no food. Idiots. I wentbto Fentons before the game. At 4 pm it was full.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
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Just getting water was a joke. I picked up Arinels.
The lines were next level stupid and whoever is in charge needs to do waaaay better.

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ManBearLion123 said:



……We might not be a bubble team yet but this team has been the first glimmer of hope for Cal fans since Cuonzo Martin was roaming the sidelines.


Wyking Jones got down on all fours behind the Cal basketball program as Cuonzo Martin pushed it over to the floor. Mark Fox then kicked it in the head.
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Re: #2

The purpose of hedging high ball screens is to keep the guard out of the paint. Once a point guard gets downhill, he can score, hit the roll man, or create advantagesany paint touch is trouble.

If the big's hedge forces the guard to retreat or go laterally and allows our on-ball defender to recover, the hedge has done its job.

The tradeoff is the guard may attempt a difficult pass to an open man, but that's extremely hard to execute unless there's a breakdown in backside rotation, but that's not on Dort.

Another risk is the roll man gaining deep position. That happened once, but Dort's size and strength prevented a basket.

Before the game, I said we should hedge because we're good at it but not overuse it since LV would adjust and punish it with their shooters. That's exactly how it was managed, and it worked. Good coaching.

Bottom line: Dort is excellent at blitzing.


CNHTH said:

My takeaways having just gotten home…

1.) we were in the bonus with I think 12:36 left in the first half and only turned that into just 2 1 and 1s (in fact maybe it was only 1 since pippen' trip to the line was a shooting foul I believe) And even worse than face value, if memory serves correct we were taking the shot clock down to sub 10 seconds for pretty much every possession for the rest of the half settling for jumpers with 4 seconds on the clock. What the ****?
That simply cannot happen at any level of basketball ever. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Give the ball to dai dai, give the ball to TT and send them hard to the rim.
I'm still pissed about this and likely will be tomorrow as well.

2.) I'm really getting tired of watching our big jump out high to chase (but never actually trap) the ball handler like some sort of analog of a box and 1 defense. The problem is Dort isn't our best defender. And he isn't agile enough to make it back to the paint when someone cuts. Which is why he keeps getting burned. We did this last year with slightly better results with Sissoko but even then you look at games like the sdsu game and the same result aka burn all your energy running your bigs around to no effect.

3.) Louisville won't always shoot that well

4.) we won't always shoot that bad

5.) Chris bell needs to be featured more
.
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bearister said:

ManBearLion123 said:



……We might not be a bubble team yet but this team has been the first glimmer of hope for Cal fans since Cuonzo Martin was roaming the sidelines.


Wyking Jones got down on all fours behind the Cal basketball program as Cuonzo Martin pushed it over to the floor. Mark Fox then kicked it in the head.


That is WAY unfair. Big Ivan and Brown do NOT come to Cal under Monty or (likely) DeCuire. It is telling that Travis (and I like him) has been "stuck" on Mizzula for now 11 years - suggesting that a number of programs haven't found hiring him away that compelling. (or that he really likes Big Sky country).

Could he have left on better terms? Absolutely. The last year was sad as we had a recruiting bust and then we couldn't match Mizzu. Of course he flamed there and I am not going to defend his work with the Tigers. But getting us a 4 seed - the highest Cal has EVER been was amazing. And it is decidedly NOT his fault that his core guards/scoring go down with injuries prior to Hawaii AND that a bull**** harrassment lawsuit distracts the Team in such a ****ING Typical fashion.

The fact that there are STILL people that attack the program over that irritates the **** out of me. NOT defending Hufnagel but it also wasn't an open and shut case (wasn't an employee, she provided at best mixed signals and was an extremely green reporter so didn't outline boundries). Martin MIGHT have screwed up (the first rule is always "Call HR") but that has always been a place where the record gets into a lot of he said, she said territory.

BTW - for things that will make you laugh - Yanni went on to found a lemon flavored water company (I kid you not). I wonder if Conzuo is a product tester ;-)
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RedlessWardrobe said:

m2bear said:

So that's what a good, well coached basketball team looks like.


Yes, please.

Hey m2, I noticed that you rarely show up on the basketball board, (tonight and san rafael). Just a hunch, but I think that getting cynical is a real comfort for you.

If you've watched a decent share of Cal BB this year you would know that they are in fact, a well coached team. We weren't outcoached, Louisville was simply better. But you like to show up only when we play a top 20 team or an ultimate cupcake.

Do us a favor. If you're going to express your opinions on the Cal team, be decent enough to show up here consistently throughout the season, instead of basing your entire take on just 2 games. Otherwise, your cynicism is just as irrelevant as it is already annoying.

Thanks.

I was debating whether or not to respond to m2's TROLL-like behavior. Your response is much more eloquent than anything I could have said.

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simplistic conclusion: we lack truly athletic forwards...night and day with Ville front line
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3146gabby said:

simplistic conclusion: we lack truly athletic forwards...night and day with Ville front line

Yup. I also think in the back court their height gave us fits. Plus they have a rim defender so they can jump out at guys and not worry about the drive.

I do think they will struggle against boozer but everyone will ;-)
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Not a Cuonzo guy. He left a trail of broken hearts all the while making serious bank. Rabb f'd himself hanging around a rudderless program for an extra year when he was over valued in the draft and could have made boku before they figured it out.

Not a Wyking Jones fan and pretty sure Theo isn't either….…and Mark Fox is in an elite league of @$$h@les.
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