Next year's roster

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3Cats4CAL said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

CalFanatic said:

Yes, it was a joke =)

Now...back to basketball and not the psychotic episodes of a deeply disturbed fan..this is what the depth looks like for next year.

Next Year Projected Roster Returners (Class Updated)
Taylor Barnes F 6'0" SO
Sofia Bowes G 5'10" JR
Lola Donez G 5'11" JR
Anastasia Drosouni G 5'11" SR
Isis Johnson-Musah G 5'10" SO
Gisella Maul G 5'11" SR
Grace McCallop G 5'10" SO
Aliyahna Morris G 5'5"SO
Naya Ojukwu F 6'1" JR
Mjracle Sheppard G 5'10" SR
Lulu Twidale G 5'10" SR

Freshman

Ruby Perkins G 5'9
Zara Russel F 6'2
Anna Lagonikaki F 6'3
Serbian Mystery Post

Looks like some good depth to me!





My initial reaction to this is - we play in a P4 conference. We play against big teams. We have 9 theoretically players returning under 6 feet in height. If we want to get serious this needs to change. We don't need 9 guards or wings. Don't mean to be cold, but 2 or 3 of those returning guards are of no use to us. They need to be replaced with true frontcourt players, otherwise next year we still struggle to make it even to the middle of the ACC standings.

I agree about our overabundance of non useful guards. Per Megan's comments that Charmin would never cut anyone who wanted to return- in order to get more taller portal transfers we would need some of these non or less productive guards to transfer out-but what is the liklihood that we can keep all of our best players and enough of the other guards transfer out?

I think in the NIL era the likelihood of 11 players returning is indistinguishable from zero.

Also a few years ago Charmin learned the hard way that it's almost impossible to win a basketball game without enough decent guards. Gotta have some reserves.
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I believe you won't win without great guards.
RedlessWardrobe
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Whoa, wait a minute. Sometimes it baffles me how a comment gets turned around.

My comment was that we have TOO MANY guards in relation to frontcourt players, and now all of a sudden I'm reading that Charmin learned her lesson about not having decents guards, and we can't win without great guards.

I sometimes wish that when there is a response to a statement, the responder takes a second to think about the comment, and give a reply that doesn't misinterpret the comment or what the comment's purpose was meant to be.

One more time. We don't need NINE guards. At the most 3 play at the same time. Time for some better frontcourt players instead.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

Whoa, wait a minute. Sometimes it baffles me how a comment gets turned around.

My comment was that we have TOO MANY guards in relation to frontcourt players, and now all of a sudden I'm reading that Charmin learned her lesson about not having decents guards, and we can't win without great guards.

I sometimes wish that when there is a response to a statement, the responder takes a second to think about the comment, and give a reply that doesn't misinterpret the comment or what the comment's purpose was meant to be.

One more time. We don't need NINE guards. At the most 3 play at the same time. Time for some better frontcourt players instead.

I agree we don't need 9 guards. I'm also guessing Charmin doesn't think we need 9 guards and is expecting some attrition.

I do think we need 6 guards who can play. Also 2 forwards and 2 centers but preferably 3 of each.

Right now I'm counting 4 forwards but 2 are unknown freshies. And I'm counting 1 center whose name I don't even know. So my recruiting priority is 2 more centers.
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stu said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Whoa, wait a minute. Sometimes it baffles me how a comment gets turned around.

My comment was that we have TOO MANY guards in relation to frontcourt players, and now all of a sudden I'm reading that Charmin learned her lesson about not having decents guards, and we can't win without great guards.

I sometimes wish that when there is a response to a statement, the responder takes a second to think about the comment, and give a reply that doesn't misinterpret the comment or what the comment's purpose was meant to be.

One more time. We don't need NINE guards. At the most 3 play at the same time. Time for some better frontcourt players instead.

I agree we don't need 9 guards. I'm also guessing Charmin doesn't think we need 9 guards and is expecting some attrition.

I do think we need 6 guards who can play. Also 2 forwards and 2 centers but preferably 3 of each.

Right now I'm counting 4 forwards but 2 are unknown freshies. And I'm counting 1 center whose name I don't even know. So my recruiting priority is 2 more centers.

Exactly. Obviously as good as possible. In general, prefer the forwards in the 6-2/3" range, and the centers in the 6-4/5" range. We need more size to compete in our league.
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BearBint said:

> SMP6'5". Would make a good password.

except, duh, not now
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smh said:

BearBint said:

> SMP6'5". Would make a good password.

except, duh, not now

I actually have used a certain Cal player as my password, together with her number and year of graduation. It's a good way to remember passwords.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

stu said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Whoa, wait a minute. Sometimes it baffles me how a comment gets turned around.

My comment was that we have TOO MANY guards in relation to frontcourt players, and now all of a sudden I'm reading that Charmin learned her lesson about not having decents guards, and we can't win without great guards.

I sometimes wish that when there is a response to a statement, the responder takes a second to think about the comment, and give a reply that doesn't misinterpret the comment or what the comment's purpose was meant to be.

One more time. We don't need NINE guards. At the most 3 play at the same time. Time for some better frontcourt players instead.

I agree we don't need 9 guards. I'm also guessing Charmin doesn't think we need 9 guards and is expecting some attrition.

I do think we need 6 guards who can play. Also 2 forwards and 2 centers but preferably 3 of each.

Right now I'm counting 4 forwards but 2 are unknown freshies. And I'm counting 1 center whose name I don't even know. So my recruiting priority is 2 more centers.

Exactly. Obviously as good as possible. In general, prefer the forwards in the 6-2/3" range, and the centers in the 6-4/5" range. We need more size to compete in our league.

For me quality first, size second. But it would be fun to have several 6' 8" bigs.
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I would put as much NIL as possible into one very good ACC-caliber center. Then develop one of the two international players into an acceptable back-up. Maybe start playing some zone when that back-up is in. But we need definite ACC-level people as our starters.
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stu said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

stu said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Whoa, wait a minute. Sometimes it baffles me how a comment gets turned around.

My comment was that we have TOO MANY guards in relation to frontcourt players, and now all of a sudden I'm reading that Charmin learned her lesson about not having decents guards, and we can't win without great guards.

I sometimes wish that when there is a response to a statement, the responder takes a second to think about the comment, and give a reply that doesn't misinterpret the comment or what the comment's purpose was meant to be.

One more time. We don't need NINE guards. At the most 3 play at the same time. Time for some better frontcourt players instead.

I agree we don't need 9 guards. I'm also guessing Charmin doesn't think we need 9 guards and is expecting some attrition.

I do think we need 6 guards who can play. Also 2 forwards and 2 centers but preferably 3 of each.

Right now I'm counting 4 forwards but 2 are unknown freshies. And I'm counting 1 center whose name I don't even know. So my recruiting priority is 2 more centers.

Exactly. Obviously as good as possible. In general, prefer the forwards in the 6-2/3" range, and the centers in the 6-4/5" range. We need more size to compete in our league.

For me quality first, size second. But it would be fun to have several 6' 8" bigs.


While we're at it, how about a 6'5" point guard?
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"Depth" is an interesting concept in basketball because you usually win with a couple stars and some complmentary players around them.

Or, to put it another way, the winner of an NBA trade is the team that gets the best player, not the team that gets a couple good players.

So job one is to line up some stars, and Cal's closest approximation is Lulu. She's a very good player, no doubt, but I don't know if she qualifies as a "star." But regardless, she has to be the number one priority.

Gisella Maul is a pretty much must-have as well.

Mjacle Sheppard has 40 more assists in six fewer mintues than Maul, and if Puff Morris can guard anyone, she's solid too.

That's a nice guard corps, with depth, assuming Sheppard and/or Morris stay.

But investing all your money in Lulu and Maul leaves not much up front -- and I don't count unknown recruits as depth until they prove they can play at this level.

Which means there's no depth up front, or, more to the point, no inside presence at all.

You can't pay all the guards -- Barnes, Donez, etc. -- and buy yourself a post as well. In fact, they may have to settle for Lulu/Maul/Mjracle in the backcourt, and spend every other penny on posts. Or one post, and hope she doesn't get hurt.

That's a long answer, but it comes down to this: Cal has depth in the backcourt, and an empty frontcourt -- and you need both to win.

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ClayK said:

"Depth" is an interesting concept in basketball because you usually win with a couple stars and some complmentary players around them.

Or, to put it another way, the winner of an NBA trade is the team that gets the best player, not the team that gets a couple good players.

So job one is to line up some stars, and Cal's closest approximation is Lulu. She's a very good player, no doubt, but I don't know if she qualifies as a "star." But regardless, she has to be the number one priority.

Gisella Maul is a pretty much must-have as well.

Mjacle Sheppard has 40 more assists in six fewer mintues than Maul, and if Puff Morris can guard anyone, she's solid too.

That's a nice guard corps, with depth, assuming Sheppard and/or Morris stay.

But investing all your money in Lulu and Maul leaves not much up front -- and I don't count unknown recruits as depth until they prove they can play at this level.

Which means there's no depth up front, or, more to the point, no inside presence at all.

You can't pay all the guards -- Barnes, Donez, etc. -- and buy yourself a post as well. In fact, they may have to settle for Lulu/Maul/Mjracle in the backcourt, and spend every other penny on posts. Or one post, and hope she doesn't get hurt.

That's a long answer, but it comes down to this: Cal has depth in the backcourt, and an empty frontcourt -- and you need both to win.



Yes Clay, I think you're saying the same thing only in a slightly different way. The Puff Morris "if" is extremely questionable. She still has much work to do on both sides of the ball to be an effective player for us. Only time will tell on that one.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

ClayK said:

"Depth" is an interesting concept in basketball because you usually win with a couple stars and some complmentary players around them.

Or, to put it another way, the winner of an NBA trade is the team that gets the best player, not the team that gets a couple good players.

So job one is to line up some stars, and Cal's closest approximation is Lulu. She's a very good player, no doubt, but I don't know if she qualifies as a "star." But regardless, she has to be the number one priority.

Gisella Maul is a pretty much must-have as well.

Mjacle Sheppard has 40 more assists in six fewer mintues than Maul, and if Puff Morris can guard anyone, she's solid too.

That's a nice guard corps, with depth, assuming Sheppard and/or Morris stay.

But investing all your money in Lulu and Maul leaves not much up front -- and I don't count unknown recruits as depth until they prove they can play at this level.

Which means there's no depth up front, or, more to the point, no inside presence at all.

You can't pay all the guards -- Barnes, Donez, etc. -- and buy yourself a post as well. In fact, they may have to settle for Lulu/Maul/Mjracle in the backcourt, and spend every other penny on posts. Or one post, and hope she doesn't get hurt.

That's a long answer, but it comes down to this: Cal has depth in the backcourt, and an empty frontcourt -- and you need both to win.



Yes Clay, I think you're saying the same thing only in a slightly different way. The Puff Morris "if" is extremely questionable. She still has much work to do on both sides of the ball to be an effective player for us. Only time will tell on that one.

Given how much time on the court and in practice she missed because of her injury, I think she deserves a pass for now. That was valuable time missed during her freshman season.

Give her a chance to come up to speed this summer and in fall camp.

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I think Twidale and Maul - based on this year's performances - are highest priority to keep
I admire the defense and field general aspects of Sheppard, but I wish she would drive and shoot more. I wish Donez could drive more than just be a defender.

But, the Bears need a post like Gray or Anigwe or Ashley Walker as well as a power forward like Hampton or Brandon. I thought Sakima Walker was going to be that post - and she's showed flashes. I dont know if there's a player out there who fills that spot (maybe the SMP65?).

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ncbears said:

I think Twidale and Maul - based on this year's performances - are highest priority to keep
I admire the defense and field general aspects of Sheppard, but I wish she would drive and shoot more. I wish Donez could drive more than just be a defender.

But, the Bears need a post like Gray or Anigwe or Ashley Walker as well as a power forward like Hampton or Brandon. I thought Samika Walker was going to be that post - and she's showed flashes. I dont know if there's a player out there who fills that spot (maybe the SMP65?).



The issue with Mjracle is, she certainly has the ability to beat defenders off the dribble, but so often when she does she doesn't finish well. Quite often it looks like she makes the resulting shot more difficult than it has to be. That is something that Charmin should have her working on over the summer.
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Charmin does now have the pattern of playing a short bench. So figure out a six or maybe seven player group and put your money there. Biggest questions would be: 1) Do the Aussie forwards come cheaper than Barnes and could they play as well as she does, which might free up more money for a really good center? 2) Is it wise to pay Puff starter money if Lulu and Gisela do want to come back?

It is now a little like being a WNBA GM and allocating your money under a salary cap.
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Priority in order to keep:
1)Lulu
2)Gisela
what is the order for the rest of
Puff, Mracle, Taylor, Lola, and the rest?
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3Cats4CAL said:

Priority in order to keep:
1)Lulu
2)Gisela
what is the order for the rest of
Puff, Mracle, Taylor, Lola, and the rest?

IMHO:
3) Taylor - talent, multiple years remaining, position of need
4) Mjracle - best defender, capable PG
5) Puff - potential, multiple years remaining
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We got our Serbian center!!

https://bearinsider.com/s/4976/bears-pick-up-commitment-from-2026-serbian-cf-nicolas-mitrovic

Oh wait...
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CalFanatic, that was cruel!
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BearBint said:

CalFanatic, that was cruel!

I definitely read the headline too fast and thought it said "Nicola." I had a good laugh when I opened it.

Should make for an interesting storyline between the two programs next year!

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I think it's
1 Lulu
2 Puff
3 Gisella
4 Taylor (though I'd have Taylor and Gisella tied).
I think we can afford pull that off I've been told to relax so I'm gonna try to do that!


I love Mjracle and hope she's back next year but she is so limited offensively that it's hard for me to think we can't find another player who can replace her minutes with a higher fg%. I think even Lola might be able to take that role because of her defensive prowess (although Lola hasn't shown the ball handling yet).
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ethan0l said:

I think it's
1 Lulu
2 Puff
3 Gisella
4 Taylor (though I'd have Taylor and Gisella tied).
I think we can afford pull that off I've been told to relax so I'm gonna try to do that!


I love Mjracle and hope she's back next year but she is so limited offensively that it's hard for me to think we can't find another player who can replace her minutes with a higher fg%. I think even Lola might be able to take that role because of her defensive prowess (although Lola hasn't shown the ball handling yet).

Mjracle leads the team in assists (only Lulu is close) and is just under .500 on 2-point shots. She's the best of our guards at getting to the hoop. However her 3-point shooting hasn't been good in conference.

IMHO Lola is a pretty good defensive player but not close to Mjracle. Lola can also bring the ball up court and run the offense. But she has taken very few shots (less than 3 points in 17 minutes per game) and averages only 0.6 rebounds (compared to Mjracle's 4.6). I see her as a valuable reserve but not a starter.

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Top 3 priorities:
1. Lulu
2. Giselle
3. Taylor
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ethan0l said:

I think it's
1 Lulu
2 Puff
3 Gisella
4 Taylor (though I'd have Taylor and Gisella tied).
I think we can afford pull that off I've been told to relax so I'm gonna try to do that!


I love Mjracle and hope she's back next year but she is so limited offensively that it's hard for me to think we can't find another player who can replace her minutes with a higher fg%. I think even Lola might be able to take that role because of her defensive prowess (although Lola hasn't shown the ball handling yet).

Just my opinion: I know Puff has potential but after watching this season do you really think she is more important to this team than Gisella? The first two have to be Lulu and Gisella, and then third without a doubt is Taylor.
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I would hope that for some students, being at Cal for "school" actually factors in at some point....but what do I know?
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CalWSportsFan said:

I would hope that for some students, being at Cal for "school" actually factors in at some point....but what do I know?


School? Don't be silly! I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that Michelle is the last true student-athlete we had. (And her major wasn't Communications, either.)
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BearBint said:

CalWSportsFan said:

I would hope that for some students, being at Cal for "school" actually factors in at some point....but what do I know?


School? Don't be silly! I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that Michelle is the last true student-athlete we had. (And her major wasn't Communications, either.)

How about Anastasia and Sophia? I expect they'll get their degrees. Lulu and Gisella too if they don't get offers they can't reuse.
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stu said:

BearBint said:

CalWSportsFan said:

I would hope that for some students, being at Cal for "school" actually factors in at some point....but what do I know?


School? Don't be silly! I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that Michelle is the last true student-athlete we had. (And her major wasn't Communications, either.)

How about Anastasia and Sophia? I expect they'll get their degrees. Lulu and Gisella too if they don't get offers they can't reuse.


Admittedly, I'm basing my snark on Cal's on-line roster, with its line-up of undeclared, undeclared, undeclared (or nothing stated).
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BearBint said:

stu said:

BearBint said:

CalWSportsFan said:

I would hope that for some students, being at Cal for "school" actually factors in at some point....but what do I know?


School? Don't be silly! I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that Michelle is the last true student-athlete we had. (And her major wasn't Communications, either.)

How about Anastasia and Sophia? I expect they'll get their degrees. Lulu and Gisella too if they don't get offers they can't reuse.


Admittedly, I'm basing my snark on Cal's on-line roster, with its line-up of undeclared, undeclared, undeclared (or nothing stated).

I have some tolerance for than since I changed my major more times than I can remember. At the end I had accumulated almost enough quarter units (188) to be thrown out of school for that (195). The only degree I could fulfill the all requirements for was Physical Sciences Field Major so that was my last major.
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BearBint said:

stu said:

BearBint said:

CalWSportsFan said:

I would hope that for some students, being at Cal for "school" actually factors in at some point....but what do I know?


School? Don't be silly! I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that Michelle is the last true student-athlete we had. (And her major wasn't Communications, either.)

How about Anastasia and Sophia? I expect they'll get their degrees. Lulu and Gisella too if they don't get offers they can't reuse.


Admittedly, I'm basing my snark on Cal's on-line roster, with its line-up of undeclared, undeclared, undeclared (or nothing stated).

I forgot Claudia, who has a real major (psychology) listed. Half of the others can't even declare "undeclared".
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RedlessWardrobe said:

ethan0l said:

I think it's
1 Lulu
2 Puff
3 Gisella
4 Taylor (though I'd have Taylor and Gisella tied).
I think we can afford pull that off I've been told to relax so I'm gonna try to do that!


I love Mjracle and hope she's back next year but she is so limited offensively that it's hard for me to think we can't find another player who can replace her minutes with a higher fg%. I think even Lola might be able to take that role because of her defensive prowess (although Lola hasn't shown the ball handling yet).

Just my opinion: I know Puff has potential but after watching this season do you really think she is more important to this team than Gisella? The first two have to be Lulu and Gisella, and then third without a doubt is Taylor.


Importance to the team for me would be Gisella, Lulu, Mjracle, Taylor then Naya, Puff, Lola, Grace. It looks like Zara Russell and Ruby Perkins could make the rotation. But for us to be better we need to get the 5 we're looking for in the portal and the 5 that is to sign in April to get up to speed quickly.
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I don't get the regard for Puff. She is too slow, not quick enough and doesn't shoot well enough to justify a spot. If she is serious about academics, then she should stay, but if basketball is her motivation she needs to transfer to a lower leverl of competition. Cal shouldn't spend any money on her.
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I think Puff, as a freshman guard, had, like most players a learning curve and had really increased her game and understanding right before she got hurt. I'm impressed that she spent her rehab apparently watching videos and analyzing them with Charmin. I think her game is ramping back up. What has been, in my opinion, her biggest challenge is...her height. So many of her turnovers (by the way, zero turnovers in 23 minutes today) have been when she is being guarded by a taller player (which is often) and she can't see where she is passing the ball, and kind of floats it up. She is a freshman learning on the job (and off the court) in a Power 5 Conference.

And I don't know what to read into this "for next year", but Charmin mentioned in her Senior Day remarks that Taylor's parents and Puff's mom have come to most home games. (Lola's parents were there too, but I can't imagine that they are "regulars.")
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Puff needs to get into better shape. will make her quicker.
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