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DiabloWags
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Cal88 said:



The negotiations were not unsuccessful, according to several high officials from the US, UK and Oman. We had a JCPOA+ on the table, and Bibi and co scuttled it, going as far as assassinating the Iranian negotiating party.



Trump supporters who are going down with the ship didn't know what JCPOA was. They only know TDS.
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concordtom said:

Justice Department says Trump can keep his presidential records


Donald Trump does not need to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives, the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel concluded in an opinion this week.

DiabloWags
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This must be Biden's fault.

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Aunburdened said:

concordtom said:

Justice Department says Trump can keep his presidential records


Donald Trump does not need to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives, the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel concluded in an opinion this week.





Yeah, a good way to hide his criminality and hinder any future investigations into it.
He will keep all his classified papers for sale on the black market of business in which he deals.
I see you're back to cheering for the bad guys.
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Aunburdened said:

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sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

I feel genuinely sorry for people that believe the nuclear weapon excuse. They'll never be able to distinguish between horse**** and reality and that will make it hard for them to get through life without granting someone power of attorney.

And there are those who say they know there is no stockpile of enriched uranium in Iran.
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Massie your lord and savior couldn't possibly be wrong

He has seen the documents in question.

And yes, for a Congressman, he has a remarkable amount of integrity, a whole lot more than Trump or your run of the mill establishment GOPer ot Dem.

Yes and no. I'm sure he and his new wife miss his ex-wife dearly.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.
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Cal88 said:

Tulsi is next on the chopping block. I think she will resign soon.

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sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.
sycasey
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.
BearlySane88
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sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.


I wasn't active here then but if people were saying that, they weren't paying attention. Trump has emphatically and repeatedly said that Iran can't be allowed to have nukes. If you thought he wasn't going to fight then you're fooling yourself
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.


I wasn't active here then but if people were saying that, they weren't paying attention. Trump has emphatically and repeatedly said that Iran can't be allowed to have nukes. If you thought he wasn't going to fight then you're fooling yourself




Trump was going to get an even better deal than Obama got with the JCPOA, complete dismantling of their nuclear program.

Trump however went to war against Iran because he is beholden to his donors, who have paid him a quarter trillion for that service, and also possibly compromised by Israel through the Epstein files.
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.


I wasn't active here then but if people were saying that, they weren't paying attention. Trump has emphatically and repeatedly said that Iran can't be allowed to have nukes. If you thought he wasn't going to fight then you're fooling yourself

Saying that doesn't mean "we're going to war." That latter part seemed to happen later.
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sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.

You only remember what you want to remember!
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This war is an incredible waste, all for Israel and Trump's ego.
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sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.

You'd be CORRECT.
He billed himself as the "Pro-Peace Candidate"

For those that are caught up in a bubble of fantasy and fiction.
Keep drinking the Orange Kool-Aid.
You got duped.

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Cal88 said:



This war is an incredible waste, all for Israel and Trump's ego.


That is so nice of them to just want to give away all their enriched uranium.
BearlySane88
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.


I wasn't active here then but if people were saying that, they weren't paying attention. Trump has emphatically and repeatedly said that Iran can't be allowed to have nukes. If you thought he wasn't going to fight then you're fooling yourself

Saying that doesn't mean "we're going to war." That latter part seemed to happen later.


It means that it was an option on the table.
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

sycasey said:

I'm honestly stunned that the Trump Administration is going to sink itself with a war in the Middle East, the one thing I thought Trump didn't want to do. I guess I shouldn't have put any idiocy past him.

I honestly don't know if you're stunned because it had been repeated here many times that Trump has stated that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

Yeah well they don't have a nuclear weapon and Trump said that the previous airstrikes had "obliterated" their ability to create one. So what gives?

But it's more than that: Trump clearly campaigned on avoiding foreign wars, even ones where we're not actually fighting and are just providing assistance (like Ukraine). This war in Iran, in which we're quickly moving towards American troops on the ground, is a huge reversal on that.

Are all wars not foreign wars? Trump campaigned on avoiding endless wars and preventing Iran from obtaining nukes. Whatever huge reversal you're referring to only exists in the bubble.

No, I'm pretty sure I remember "Pro-Peace Candidate" messaging coming from the Trump people. But you tell yourself whatever you want.


I wasn't active here then but if people were saying that, they weren't paying attention. Trump has emphatically and repeatedly said that Iran can't be allowed to have nukes. If you thought he wasn't going to fight then you're fooling yourself




Trump was going to get an even better deal than Obama got with the JCPOA, complete dismantling of their nuclear program.

Trump however went to war against Iran because he is beholden to his donors, who have paid him a quarter trillion for that service, and also possibly compromised by Israel through the Epstein files.


Those are all assumptions based on your hatred, not facts.
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:



This war is an incredible waste, all for Israel and Trump's ego.


That is so nice of them to just want to give away all their enriched uranium.


Yep, in no world was Iran going to do that. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing in bad faith and clearly letting their hatred for Trump to override all factual evidence
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BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:



This war is an incredible waste, all for Israel and Trump's ego.


That is so nice of them to just want to give away all their enriched uranium.


Yep, in no world was Iran going to do that. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing in bad faith and clearly letting their hatred for Trump to override all factual evidence

Those are all assumptions based on your consuming need to defend Trump at every turn, not facts.
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Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:



This war is an incredible waste, all for Israel and Trump's ego.


That is so nice of them to just want to give away all their enriched uranium.


Yep, in no world was Iran going to do that. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing in bad faith and clearly letting their hatred for Trump to override all factual evidence

Those are all assumptions based on your consuming need to defend Trump at every turn, not facts.


By consumed I think you mean the people posting 400x a day talking about new reasons, or repeating old reasons, for why they hate Trump
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Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.
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Cal88 said:

Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.


In your world of Trump haters, you'd believe anything that someone said against Trump. It makes most of what you post highly unreliable and biased
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Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

Cal88 said:



This war is an incredible waste, all for Israel and Trump's ego.


That is so nice of them to just want to give away all their enriched uranium.


Yep, in no world was Iran going to do that. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing in bad faith and clearly letting their hatred for Trump to override all factual evidence

Those are all assumptions based on your consuming need to defend Trump at every turn, not facts.


Did Trumper's get duped again?

And yet they're still doing mental gymnastics as to WHY we attacked IRAN again after obliterating them last June?

Too funny.
The Cult continues.



Analysis: If Trump said Iran's nuclear program was 'obliterated,' why is he looking to strike again? | CNN Politics
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Pentagon Pete said what?
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
DiabloWags
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dajo9 said:

Pentagon Pete said what?


" . . . Iran's nuclear ambitions have been obliterated."

June 22, 2025

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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.


In your world of Trump haters, you'd believe anything that someone said against Trump. It makes most of what you post highly unreliable and biased

Cal88 wasn't really an anti-Trump guy before the election. He has obviously become so after this war started.
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"Obviously, our policy [regarding Iran] over the last 8 years has not worked." - Barack Obama
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concordtom said:

Justice Department says Trump can keep his presidential records

Donald Trump does not need to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives, the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel concluded in an opinion this week.

Trump already submitted presidential records to the National Archives from his first term and doesn't have to submit records from his second term until it's over.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.


In your world of Trump haters, you'd believe anything that someone said against Trump. It makes most of what you post highly unreliable and biased

Cal88 wasn't really an anti-Trump guy before the election. He has obviously become so after this war started.

He wasn't a pro-Trump guy before the election either.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.


In your world of Trump haters, you'd believe anything that someone said against Trump. It makes most of what you post highly unreliable and biased

Cal88 wasn't really an anti-Trump guy before the election. He has obviously become so after this war started.


Cal88 is anti America. Support a buffoon for President then criticize the buffonery. Rip it all to shreds.
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.


In your world of Trump haters, you'd believe anything that someone said against Trump. It makes most of what you post highly unreliable and biased

Cal88 wasn't really an anti-Trump guy before the election. He has obviously become so after this war started.


Cal88 is anti America. Support a buffoon for President then criticize the buffonery. Rip it all to shreds.

Another similarity to Hitler.
The postwar population, and generations born after, are universally ashamed of their Nazi past.

It's quite possible that Trumpism brings about such pain upon America that his name will go down similarly.

No more babies being born named Donald, and all businesses with the Trump named abolished.

The family may even revert to Drumpf.

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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

Definitely not in your world of Trump groupie, but in the real world, US, UK and Omani sources confirmed that Iran was willing to give away their enriched uranium stockpile, before Israel literally killed their negotiating party.


In your world of Trump haters, you'd believe anything that someone said against Trump. It makes most of what you post highly unreliable and biased

Cal88 wasn't really an anti-Trump guy before the election. He has obviously become so after this war started.


He has not been a Trump supporter since I've been active on OT and that was long before this war.
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