Some musings about the Democratic Party's deep challenge

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wifeisafurd said:

I have ignored the rest of this thread, but here is my take when you asked what would you have the Dems do?:

1) Expand their coalition beyond the base. Some of this IMO is getting over the labeling issues and perceived overreaching ideology (I'm not saying abandon all civil rights efforts). I live in an area with a lot of mixed marriages (and gay marriages) and no husband or wife wants their spouse or child, or friends for that matter, to be put behind because they are not in a preferred heritage or class that for example, some school administrators for example, select over wine and cheese. Not to mention there is voter backlash to perceived "wokeness", anti-merit claims (which causes minority resentment), and the promoting of mandatory ideological conformity and overreaching on speech and everyday interaction. A lot of this seems so pretentious and formulated as to be counterproductive, as to seem essentially superficial "check-the-box" diversity efforts rather than substantive change. Changing the phrase master bedroom to primary bedroom doesn't do anything about police stops of black youths that go wrong. But right now the Democrats (and academics) are turning off large groups of people.
You guys are even getting crap on Netflix shows. I admit this means not avoiding hard topics or creating an echo chamber to only talk to voters who already agree with you.

2) Focus on economic anxietiy: cost of living fair game and jobs. And focus on that. Why the heck were Democrats afraid to discuss Biden's move to revitalize U.S. semiconductor manufacturing (which Trump continues) , with over $25 billion in incentives awarded and the elimination of government land use regulation which I might add resulted in thousands of jobs and almost a $ Trillion in private investments? Stop selling what is wrong with business. Most voters work for businesses, not the goverment. Avoid tariffs (unions and blue collar are pro protection, and almost everyone loves tariffs on Russia and China) and class warfare (many people have aspirations for being rich one day, and don't want some Sanders' type policies to take that all away). Lose the ideological fixations. This is somewhat critical as a record number of Democratic registered voters didn't vote in th the last election. Exactly why the Harris campaign's message, with all its spending and media support, didn't connect with so many vital base voters is a complex, not to mention that swing voters or ani-Trump GOP voters (e.g., Haley republicans) didn't break their way. As for the base, the Dems had a diverse ticket, mostly espoused all the correct progressive views, and presented a rosy picture of recovery of the post-C-19 economy. But a lot fhe the base didn't think the economy was rosy, and still don't. Young voters are especially pessimistic.

3) Change the message on immigration to be more moderate and consistent: This might apply to the GOP as well. Polls have shown people want the borders shut and some form off amnesty to those who have been here for some time. Immigration killed the Dems in 2024.

4) Stop arguing Republican issues: avoid law and order, tariffs (lot of the country wants protectionist policies), TRANs athletes (how many are there?), etc. Get out of the culture wars - like or not, and I don't, the country has moved conservative on social issues ever since 9/11. The GOP is vulnerable on the economy. Stay there.

5) Move on beyond Trump. He isn't running. Focus on the GOP ticket. By 2028 the voters may be looking for
someone with emotional and intellectual maturity and not another round of divisive political rhetoric. And avoid Biden betrayals, and avoiding having a battle tested campaigner be the candidate. No super-delegates, burying candidate worts. etc.

Listen, you asked...

Anything can happen but this is a big ask. In many ways, the Democrats have past the point of no return. I think the easier path (and more ideologically consistent) is to continue to do what they've been doing under Biden as well as go the way of Europe.

Trump will no longer be a threat to run again. Democrats know MAGA and other Republicans will waste their energy fighting amongst themselves over details and won't have the same unified energy as they did when Biden was president and his DOJ was going after Trump. Democrats won't have to waste their time demonizing Vance, Rubio, or any other replacement because the Republicans will do it for them.

If the Democrats win, they will move to censor social media, use lawfare to imprison their political enemies like they did during the Biden administration, expand the Supreme Court to take control, and open the southern border again to flood the country. Once this happens, the Democrats will never lose another election.
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Their policies continue to fail, but they can't admit it.
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BearlySane88 said:



Fortunately, progressives don't have a politics that says that. The use of "If" at the beginning of the statement makes the whole thing hypothetical anyway.
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Yes they do, it's been identity politics and the White Man is bad for decades.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:



Fortunately, progressives don't have a politics that says that. The use of "If" at the beginning of the statement makes the whole thing hypothetical anyway.


Think farther left when he says progressives. Not moderates. That if is no longer hypothetical
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BearlySane88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:



Fortunately, progressives don't have a politics that says that. The use of "If" at the beginning of the statement makes the whole thing hypothetical anyway.


Think farther left when he says progressives. Not moderates. That if is no longer hypothetical


Back in the early 1990s LAPD / FD didn't allow White candidates to even apply. An acquaintance was a beast, UCLA grad, had top scores, training, he couldn't even apply.

About the same time departments went from hiring the best candidates based on scores and tests, to "banding" - i.e., an 80 on a test is equal to the person who scored 100. Physical tests in a physical occupation were watered down, and we have the results.
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Liberal racists strike again
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Moderate Democrats are doing their usual thing where they blame everyone but themselves for the Democrats' poor electoral performance and the receipts are being posted. Glorious.

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BINGO!
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Trump is supposed to magically undo the massive Covid overspending?
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movielover said:

Trump is supposed to magically undo the massive Covid overspending?


Yeah, that's the reason people can't meet basic needs. COVID. SMH.

Trump or any Republican has no more interest in addressing this than the Democrats did.
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20% inflation one year, plus 'Green" expensive energy.
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^ whole lotta (double-digit) nutin honey.
sighned, not dead yet # funk trunk; i.c.e. too
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And they wonder why we tell them to pound sand when they say at first that they don't need our votes and then cry when their ****ty candidates lose

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BearlySane88 said:



Wouldn't vote for him, but the schadenfreude of him calling out all those corrupt Dems would be fun to watch
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Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:



Wouldn't vote for him, but the schadenfreude of him calling out all those corrupt Dems would be fun to watch

Stephen A. will do anything for attention.
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The Dems didn't appreciate it when Tulsi called out Kamala and Hillary back in 2020. They will destroy Stephen A. Smith if he's getting in the way unless he's the one being backed by big money.
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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

BearlySane88 said:



Wouldn't vote for him, but the schadenfreude of him calling out all those corrupt Dems would be fun to watch

Stephen A. will do anything for attention.

He will, which is why I don't take him seriously. Still would enjoy him mucking the debate up though.
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These are your Democratic Party rising stars. Of course, Trump doesn't know anything about foreign policy either, which is why his Cabinet and donors are able to control him on those issues.

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I think it would be bad if Taiwan got swallowed by China.
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Some posters here need to hear this
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