Soccer Topics: No goalies in the USA

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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Look for Austria to tie Algeria, and the most boring 2nd half in history since the infamous West Germany-Austria 1982 game in Gijon, would be surprised if a tie isn't the outcome, as it suits both teams. Algeria is better off with a tie than with a win, but both would be eliminated by a loss in this game.

It was indeed a tie, but actually not boring at all!


Bob Bradley lost his European job partly because he said "tie" instead of "draw." Be careful out there.
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sluggo said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Look for Austria to tie Algeria, and the most boring 2nd half in history since the infamous West Germany-Austria 1982 game in Gijon, would be surprised if a tie isn't the outcome, as it suits both teams. Algeria is better off with a tie than with a win, but both would be eliminated by a loss in this game.

It was indeed a tie, but actually not boring at all!


Bob Bradley lost his European job partly because he said "tie" instead of "draw." Be careful out there.

I was following Cal88's lead, blame him!
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sycasey said:

sluggo said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Look for Austria to tie Algeria, and the most boring 2nd half in history since the infamous West Germany-Austria 1982 game in Gijon, would be surprised if a tie isn't the outcome, as it suits both teams. Algeria is better off with a tie than with a win, but both would be eliminated by a loss in this game.

It was indeed a tie, but actually not boring at all!


Bob Bradley lost his European job partly because he said "tie" instead of "draw." Be careful out there.

I was following Cal88's lead, blame him!


I do. He has spent time in Europe, I have only vacationed.
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oski003 said:

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Great tournament for Africa, very poor for Asia (especially since one of the "Asian" teams that made it was Australia). Average for CONCACAF, really only the host countries were any good.




Curacao should be part of South America. It is so weird that for some purposes it is considered part of North America yet is 37 miles from Venezuela.

Yes but there has long been some fuzziness around who goes in what federation (see above: Australia competing in Asia) and they are in the Caribbean. Actually the real cheaters here are the Guiyanas (Guiyana, French Guiyana, Suriname) competing in CONCACAF despite being on the South American mainland.
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Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!
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sluggo said:

Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!

Yeah the left side of that bracket seems pretty loaded. Argentina looks to have a relatively easier path.
sluggo
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sycasey said:

sluggo said:

Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!

Yeah the left side of that bracket seems pretty loaded. Argentina looks to have a relatively easier path.


Left side harder but this is the strongest world cup I have ever seen and plenty good on the right.
sluggo
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Can't wait for 2030. He is way better than Roldan and Zendejas already.

sluggo
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You want a 6'6'' center back with skills? So do I.

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About half the good young players play with the Philadelphia Union.
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I hope when I tell people we will be in a different place in 2030 they will start to believe me. Should be at the Belgium/Netherlands/Colombia level. I don't know how we get higher.
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Anarchistbear said:

Man. Iran is the unluckiest team


Good argument they advance if they were treated fairly
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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sluggo said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Look for Austria to tie Algeria, and the most boring 2nd half in history since the infamous West Germany-Austria 1982 game in Gijon, would be surprised if a tie isn't the outcome, as it suits both teams. Algeria is better off with a tie than with a win, but both would be eliminated by a loss in this game.

It was indeed a tie, but actually not boring at all!


Bob Bradley lost his European job partly because he said "tie" instead of "draw." Be careful out there.
sitting next to Ian Darke, Landon Donovan said "nil" instead of zero, and "zed" instead of zee before correcting himself critically.
concordtom
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sluggo said:

Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!


I wonder what the Vegas return would be on a dollar bet that Argentina or England will reach the final + France reaching the semifinal + Spain reaching the quarterfinals + Belgium winning their first knockout game!
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sluggo said:

I hope when I tell people we will be in a different place in 2030 they will start to believe me. Should be at the Belgium/Netherlands/Colombia level. I don't know how we get higher.

We will maybe believe you in 2030.
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sluggo said:

sycasey said:

sluggo said:

Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!

Yeah the left side of that bracket seems pretty loaded. Argentina looks to have a relatively easier path.


Left side harder but this is the strongest world cup I have ever seen and plenty good on the right.


Argentina still has the easiest path to the semis by far, and an easier potential semi. The US draw as well is very favorable until the QF, then it gets very hard.
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Better bracket image?

concordtom
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Cal88 said:



Argentina still has the easiest path to the semis by far, and an easier potential semi.

Jesus, that's so disgusting I hope they lose!
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concordtom
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UPDATED RANKING NUMBERS OFF FIFA COCA-COLA WEBSITE:

Great now that I have your exact 32 teams and your official FIFA rankings, here is the fully rebuilt bracket using your rankings only, organized into the same four quadrants you confirmed earlier.

This is now 100% aligned with the rankings you pasted.

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QUADRANT 1 TopLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Germany 12
Paraguay 37
France 2
Sweden 36
South Africa 54
Canada 32
Netherlands 7
Morocco 6
Mean: 23.25
Median: 24.5


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QUADRANT 2 BottomLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Portugal 8
Croatia 13
Spain 3
Austria 22
USA 15
Bosnia & Herzegovina 61
Belgium 10
Senegal 18
Mean: 18.75
Median: 16.5


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QUADRANT 3 TopRight
Team FIFA Rank
Brazil 5
Japan 17
Cte d'Ivoire 30
Norway 23
Mexico 9
Ecuador 24
England 4
DR Congo 41
Mean: 19.125
Median: 20.0


---

QUADRANT 4 BottomRight
Team FIFA Rank
Argentina 1
Cape Verde 64
Australia 28
Egypt 26
Switzerland 16
Algeria 29
Colombia 11
Ghana 65
Mean: 30.0
Median: 27.5
Cal88
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concordtom said:

UPDATED RANKING NUMBERS OFF FIFA COCA-COLA WEBSITE:

Great now that I have your exact 32 teams and your official FIFA rankings, here is the fully rebuilt bracket using your rankings only, organized into the same four quadrants you confirmed earlier.

This is now 100% aligned with the rankings you pasted.

---

QUADRANT 1 TopLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Germany 12
Paraguay 37
France 2
Sweden 36
South Africa 54
Canada 32
Netherlands 7
Morocco 6
Mean: 23.25
Median: 24.5


---

QUADRANT 2 BottomLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Portugal 8
Croatia 13
Spain 3
Austria 22
USA 15
Bosnia & Herzegovina 61
Belgium 10
Senegal 18
Mean: 18.75
Median: 16.5


---

QUADRANT 3 TopRight
Team FIFA Rank
Brazil 5
Japan 17
Cte d'Ivoire 30
Norway 23
Mexico 9
Ecuador 24
England 4
DR Congo 41
Mean: 19.125
Median: 20.0


---

QUADRANT 4 BottomRight
Team FIFA Rank
Argentina 1
Cape Verde 64
Australia 28
Egypt 26
Switzerland 16
Algeria 29
Colombia 11
Ghana 65
Mean: 30.0
Median: 27.5



Zero top 10 opponents in Argentina's bracket.
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Every day I have at least one Dumb Semi-Beginners Soccer Question. Usually, I don't post them, as I try to hide my ignorance.

Today, what the heck!

China and India each have over a billion people. Do they play soccer over there, or what? (no AI, please)
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Big C said:


Every day I have at least one Dumb Semi-Beginners Soccer Question. Usually, I don't post them, as I try to hide my ignorance.

Today, what the heck!

China and India each have over a billion people. Do they play soccer over there, or what? (no AI, please)


Crickets?
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sycasey
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Big C said:


Every day I have at least one Dumb Semi-Beginners Soccer Question. Usually, I don't post them, as I try to hide my ignorance.

Today, what the heck!

China and India each have over a billion people. Do they play soccer over there, or what? (no AI, please)

China seems to have a policy of steering athletes towards more niche sports that they can dominate at the Olympics, hence ping-pong and whatnot. Sports that require a large team and where other countries are already super competitive are not good bang for your buck.

India only seems to take one sport seriously, and that's cricket. I dunno what's going on there. They should be better at athletics.
sluggo
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Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

UPDATED RANKING NUMBERS OFF FIFA COCA-COLA WEBSITE:

Great now that I have your exact 32 teams and your official FIFA rankings, here is the fully rebuilt bracket using your rankings only, organized into the same four quadrants you confirmed earlier.

This is now 100% aligned with the rankings you pasted.

---

QUADRANT 1 TopLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Germany 12
Paraguay 37
France 2
Sweden 36
South Africa 54
Canada 32
Netherlands 7
Morocco 6
Mean: 23.25
Median: 24.5


---

QUADRANT 2 BottomLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Portugal 8
Croatia 13
Spain 3
Austria 22
USA 15
Bosnia & Herzegovina 61
Belgium 10
Senegal 18
Mean: 18.75
Median: 16.5


---

QUADRANT 3 TopRight
Team FIFA Rank
Brazil 5
Japan 17
Cte d'Ivoire 30
Norway 23
Mexico 9
Ecuador 24
England 4
DR Congo 41
Mean: 19.125
Median: 20.0


---

QUADRANT 4 BottomRight
Team FIFA Rank
Argentina 1
Cape Verde 64
Australia 28
Egypt 26
Switzerland 16
Algeria 29
Colombia 11
Ghana 65
Mean: 30.0
Median: 27.5



Zero top 10 opponents in Argentina's bracket.

Switzerland ranked 16th is absurd. They have been good for awhile and clobbered us in friendly. Their players are all at top clubs, although I know this squad less than I have known previous ones. Colombia is strong and I think anyone should fear them. The rest of the teams are probably not so good.
sluggo
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sycasey said:

Big C said:


Every day I have at least one Dumb Semi-Beginners Soccer Question. Usually, I don't post them, as I try to hide my ignorance.

Today, what the heck!

China and India each have over a billion people. Do they play soccer over there, or what? (no AI, please)

China seems to have a policy of steering athletes towards more niche sports that they can dominate at the Olympics, hence ping-pong and whatnot. Sports that require a large team and where other countries are already super competitive are not good bang for your buck.

India only seems to take one sport seriously, and that's cricket. I dunno what's going on there. They should be better at athletics.

It is a very interesting question. China is much better than India, I remember seeing them play at a World Cup some years ago. One thing I have read is the sport is very corrupt at the top level in China, thus discouraging participation. Soccer is a game of both talent and culture, and I don't understand the cultural reasons they are failing. We were failing culturally until we were not failing as much, although I still think culturally we cannot break into the top 5 for a long time.

I agree that India is more interested in cricket. I wonder about their field situation as well. It is cool to learn on dirt but that is not how the game is played at higher levels. I once saw a documentary that took place in India that included a female player who was discouraged by her family but had the will to get somewhere in the game.
sluggo
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Cal88 said:

sluggo said:

sycasey said:

sluggo said:

Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!

Yeah the left side of that bracket seems pretty loaded. Argentina looks to have a relatively easier path.


Left side harder but this is the strongest world cup I have ever seen and plenty good on the right.


Argentina still has the easiest path to the semis by far, and an easier potential semi. The US draw as well is very favorable until the QF, then it gets very hard.

Not much respect for Belgium. Sure BH is a favorable opponent, but I think Belgium is not. Unless Doku leaves as he has threatened to be with his first born. Just he, Trossard, DeBruyne and Courtois are a bit too much. They do have some holes.
sluggo
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Nice first elimination match between Canada and South Africa. South Africa looked like a disaster against Mexico, but against Canada they showed some quality, just not quite enough.

Canada had some new players I had not seen before. They have lots and lots of speed, very modern. The ease with which South Africa beat them with line breaking passes is an indictment of their coaching. American coach Jesse Marsch is nuts. He thought he would get the USMNT job over Berhalter and had a public meltdown when he did not get it. Going to Canada is very Jesse Marsch and good for the rivalry. I see them going out next match either to the Netherlands or Morocco, which will be a good game.

Very excited to see the rest of the tournament.
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sycasey
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sluggo said:

Cal88 said:

sluggo said:

sycasey said:

sluggo said:

Cal88 said:




If I read this correctly, BH, then Belgium. then Spain, then France, then Argentina or England. If we win, we have earned it!

Yeah the left side of that bracket seems pretty loaded. Argentina looks to have a relatively easier path.


Left side harder but this is the strongest world cup I have ever seen and plenty good on the right.


Argentina still has the easiest path to the semis by far, and an easier potential semi. The US draw as well is very favorable until the QF, then it gets very hard.

Not much respect for Belgium. Sure BH is a favorable opponent, but I think Belgium is not. Unless Doku leaves as he has threatened to be with his first born. Just he, Trossard, DeBruyne and Courtois are a bit too much. They do have some holes.

Yeah our bracket looked easier before Belgium got it together and finished first in their group. That said, there was a reason they had to sweat it out a bit; they were not all that impressive in their first two games. Seems like the feeling on them is that they have good players but they are aging.
Cal88
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sluggo said:

Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

UPDATED RANKING NUMBERS OFF FIFA COCA-COLA WEBSITE:

Great now that I have your exact 32 teams and your official FIFA rankings, here is the fully rebuilt bracket using your rankings only, organized into the same four quadrants you confirmed earlier.

This is now 100% aligned with the rankings you pasted.

---

QUADRANT 1 TopLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Germany 12
Paraguay 37
France 2
Sweden 36
South Africa 54
Canada 32
Netherlands 7
Morocco 6
Mean: 23.25
Median: 24.5


---

QUADRANT 2 BottomLeft
Team FIFA Rank
Portugal 8
Croatia 13
Spain 3
Austria 22
USA 15
Bosnia & Herzegovina 61
Belgium 10
Senegal 18
Mean: 18.75
Median: 16.5


---

QUADRANT 3 TopRight
Team FIFA Rank
Brazil 5
Japan 17
Cte d'Ivoire 30
Norway 23
Mexico 9
Ecuador 24
England 4
DR Congo 41
Mean: 19.125
Median: 20.0


---

QUADRANT 4 BottomRight
Team FIFA Rank
Argentina 1
Cape Verde 64
Australia 28
Egypt 26
Switzerland 16
Algeria 29
Colombia 11
Ghana 65
Mean: 30.0
Median: 27.5



Zero top 10 opponents in Argentina's bracket.

Switzerland ranked 16th is absurd. They have been good for awhile and clobbered us in friendly. Their players are all at top clubs, although I know this squad less than I have known previous ones. Colombia is strong and I think anyone should fear them. The rest of the teams are probably not so good.


No, if anything Switzerland is slightly overrated at 16. Which top 15 is the Swiss team better than?

The Swiss have had their golden generation last decade with their Albanian star Shaqiri, world class goalie Sommer, and Xhaka today is past his prime at 33 for a midfielder. They're still good and haven't really dropped off that much, but still a bit down from their previous teams and are not underrated at #16. I would also put them in the 16 to 20 range among the remaining 32 teams.

I doubt the Argies are looking at their bracket and thinking that the Swiss are going to bother them.
sycasey
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sluggo said:

Nice first elimination match between Canada and South Africa. South Africa looked like a disaster against Mexico, but against Canada they showed some quality, just not quite enough.

Canada had some new players I had not seen before. They have lots and lots of speed, very modern. The ease with which South Africa beat them with line breaking passes is an indictment of their coaching. American coach Jesse Marsch is nuts. He thought he would get the USMNT job over Berhalter and had a public meltdown when he did not get it. Going to Canada is very Jesse Marsch and good for the rivalry. I see them going out next match either to the Netherlands or Morocco, which will be a good game.

Very excited to see the rest of the tournament.

It's cool that Canada finally decided to take soccer seriously and put an actual competitive team on the field. Makes CONCACAF more interesting. That said, the current team seems to have decent front-line talent but little depth or cohesion as compared to the top teams.
Cal88
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sluggo said:

Nice first elimination match between Canada and South Africa. South Africa looked like a disaster against Mexico, but against Canada they showed some quality, just not quite enough.

Canada had some new players I had not seen before. They have lots and lots of speed, very modern. The ease with which South Africa beat them with line breaking passes is an indictment of their coaching. American coach Jesse Marsch is nuts. He thought he would get the USMNT job over Berhalter and had a public meltdown when he did not get it. Going to Canada is very Jesse Marsch and good for the rivalry. I see them going out next match either to the Netherlands or Morocco, which will be a good game.

Very excited to see the rest of the tournament.


Agree about Marsch, rah-rah coaching and motivation is OK as long as there is a sound tactical structure in place, which is not a sure thing on this Canada squad. As well this high-intensity pressing strategy will not work in hot weather, which the Canadian team has yet to encounter having played in Toronto, Vancouver and LA.

The game turned when Davies came in, immediately lifted their team's morale and intensity. If they can have him for a full game next round, they're not going to be a pushover.
 
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