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@ItsYourGov: There are an estimated 339,000 non-citizens living in Georgia.

If the 14% proportion holds true state wide, this would equate to over 47,000 registered non-citizens.

For context, Joe Biden "won" the state of Georgia by less than 12,000 votes in 2020.'


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bearister said:

Vaccines Are Helping Older People More Than We Knew

Not based on my reading of this board.
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movielover said:

@ItsYourGov: There are an estimated 339,000 non-citizens living in Georgia.

If the 14% proportion holds true state wide, this would equate to over 47,000 registered non-citizens.

For context, Joe Biden "won" the state of Georgia by less than 12,000 votes in 2020.'





So it's not such a small amount that it doesn't matter. Sycasey what's your take?
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Whoops coordinated.



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Perhaps you should take your anecdotal "proof" somewhere that can make a difference and get things changed. Hmmm... maybe the courts? Of course, that hasn't worked out too well for you guys and your anecdotal "proof" in the past.

If I was a non citizen and some biased "citizen journalist" yo-yo was badgering me about whether or not I was registered to vote, I'd probably say yes just to tick them off.
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movielover said:

Return the stolen land!

Billie Eilish needs to make the first move and return stolen property before she lectures everyone else. Then we'll all be convinced to do the same....: )
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BearlySane88 said:

movielover said:

@ItsYourGov: There are an estimated 339,000 non-citizens living in Georgia.

If the 14% proportion holds true state wide, this would equate to over 47,000 registered non-citizens.

For context, Joe Biden "won" the state of Georgia by less than 12,000 votes in 2020.'





So it's not such a small amount that it doesn't matter. Sycasey what's your take?

I don't consider anecdotal evidence from Twitter randos.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

movielover said:

@ItsYourGov: There are an estimated 339,000 non-citizens living in Georgia.

If the 14% proportion holds true state wide, this would equate to over 47,000 registered non-citizens.

For context, Joe Biden "won" the state of Georgia by less than 12,000 votes in 2020.'





So it's not such a small amount that it doesn't matter. Sycasey what's your take?

I don't consider anecdotal evidence from Twitter randos.
He's not just any Twitter Rando, he's a "Citizen Journalist". I must be a Citizen Journalist too since I have the same qualifications.
movielover
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So many of our journos are corrupt.

Look at the interview with Epstein where he blamed Bill Clinton for the 2008 housing implosion.

60 Minutes (?) Jouno: 'So you're blaming black, brown, and white working people?"

Epstein: 'No, I didn't say that. I blamed Bill Clinton."
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The Trump team can't get its story straight on the president, Gabbard and Fulton County
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

movielover said:

@ItsYourGov: There are an estimated 339,000 non-citizens living in Georgia.

If the 14% proportion holds true state wide, this would equate to over 47,000 registered non-citizens.

For context, Joe Biden "won" the state of Georgia by less than 12,000 votes in 2020.'





So it's not such a small amount that it doesn't matter. Sycasey what's your take?

I don't consider anecdotal evidence from Twitter randos.

He's not just any Twitter Rando, he's a "Citizen Journalist". I must be a Citizen Journalist too since I have the same qualifications.

So here's from further down the same Twitter thread:



When they tried to look for these people in the voter rolls they couldn't find that they were actually registered. Seems more likely they were just confused by the questions. Or maybe the local/state officials couldn't verify citizenship and didn't register them. So yeah, I continue to maintain that actual voter fraud is a vanishingly small issue.
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"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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movielover said:

CNBC: Jill Biden's ex-husband arrested and charged with killing his current wife

The Biden crime family.

No one is above the law.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

movielover said:

CNBC: Jill Biden's ex-husband arrested and charged with killing his current wife

The Biden crime family.

No one is above the law.

Jill's ex-husband wouldn't be a Biden, would he?
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"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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I timestamped this to start when this election video starts..our elections are so unsecure I can't believe this isn't a bipartisan agreement that things need to change.

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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

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I didn't have Nicki being the voice of reason on my 2026 bingo card

Okay, if anyone actually wants the legitimate argument against this, here it is

There is no legitimate argument against it and the fact that Democratic politicians fight so hard in the name of "It's just too much of a burden for these folks to get something that they're already getting so they can drive a car legally" tells you that they want to protect it for nefarious reasons.

Do I think the Democrats won the 2020 Presidential election based on fraud? No. Do I believe these stories about how voter fraud is astonishingly rare? About as much I believe all those stories by liberal corporate journalists that asserted confidently that COVID came from a bat in a wet market.

I can't see any valid reason NOT to require ID when voting. I remember the first time I voted, I had my ID out and was surprised I didn't need it.

Don't want to go to the trouble to create "National Identification Cards"? Just accept state DLs or IDs... any valid picture ID.

Is the Dems' fighting this "nefarious"? Or just another woke stupid thing they do? As a stupid Dem myself, I figure the latter.


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When I was growing up, mandatory voter ID had been used for decades, especially in the South, to keep the wrong kind of people from voting. Fortunately, it was ending about then.
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Are you arguing that it shouldn't be used nowadays? If so, why (specifically)?
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

movielover said:

@ItsYourGov: There are an estimated 339,000 non-citizens living in Georgia.

If the 14% proportion holds true state wide, this would equate to over 47,000 registered non-citizens.

For context, Joe Biden "won" the state of Georgia by less than 12,000 votes in 2020.'





So it's not such a small amount that it doesn't matter. Sycasey what's your take?

I don't consider anecdotal evidence from Twitter randos.


Of course you don't. You still get your news from mainstream media
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

When I was growing up, mandatory voter ID had been used for decades, especially in the South, to keep the wrong kind of people from voting. Fortunately, it was ending about then.



https://www.history.com/articles/jim-crow-laws-black-vote

Quote:

Following the ratification in 1870 of the 15th Amendment, which barred states from depriving citizens the right to vote based on race, southern states began enacting measures such as poll taxes, literacy tests, all-white primaries, felony disenfranchisement laws, grandfather clauses, fraud and intimidation to keep African Americans from the polls.

Nowhere in there is voter ID listed because it was not used to suppress the vote. It obviously would have been a very ineffective way to prevent minorities from voting when they had far better methods to weed out who they didn't want voting.

Furthermore, the Supreme Court has already ruled on this in 2013, walking back some of the restrictions in the Voting Rights Act that prevented states from making changes to their own voting laws as the Democrats could not produce any evidence that there was any racially based voter suppression going on that the Act was designed to prevent. 35 of the 50 states have ID requirements already and there have been zero successful legal challenges to establish that any of those 36 states are engaged in voter suppression (though the Democratic Party's army of lawyers keeps trying).

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/voter-id-laws-by-state

The problem with voting is not voter ID. The problem is access. Voting is made unnecessarily inconvenient by having limited days where you can vote, sometimes insufficient polling places, and unnecessary restrictions on what methods you can use to vote.
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Big C said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:



I didn't have Nicki being the voice of reason on my 2026 bingo card

Okay, if anyone actually wants the legitimate argument against this, here it is

There is no legitimate argument against it and the fact that Democratic politicians fight so hard in the name of "It's just too much of a burden for these folks to get something that they're already getting so they can drive a car legally" tells you that they want to protect it for nefarious reasons.

Do I think the Democrats won the 2020 Presidential election based on fraud? No. Do I believe these stories about how voter fraud is astonishingly rare? About as much I believe all those stories by liberal corporate journalists that asserted confidently that COVID came from a bat in a wet market.

I can't see any valid reason NOT to require ID when voting. I remember the first time I voted, I had my ID out and was surprised I didn't need it.

Don't want to go to the trouble to create "National Identification Cards"? Just accept state DLs or IDs... any valid picture ID.

Is the Dems' fighting this "nefarious"? Or just another woke stupid thing they do? As a stupid Dem myself, I figure the latter.




No IDs enable individuals to vote multiple times, non citizens to vote, etc.

Only trumped by mail-in voting.
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:



I didn't have Nicki being the voice of reason on my 2026 bingo card

Okay, if anyone actually wants the legitimate argument against this, here it is

There is no legitimate argument against it and the fact that Democratic politicians fight so hard in the name of "It's just too much of a burden for these folks to get something that they're already getting so they can drive a car legally" tells you that they want to protect it for nefarious reasons.

Not everyone drives a car but they should still get to vote.

You need ID for about 10 other things other than just driving a car and you expose how intellectually dishonest you are when you pretend it's a burden for those folks to get ID.

This video has been posted here before, but it bears repeating just to point out how incredibly weak these Democrat arguments against voter ID are.

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Just a trigger for another painful memory for a former lifetime Raiders fan. Gruden knew every play Raiders called:

"The Buccaneers defeated the Raiders by the score of 48-21, tied with Super Bowl XXXV for the seventh-largest Super Bowl margin of victory, winning their first-ever Super Bowl."
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movielover said:

Big C said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:



I didn't have Nicki being the voice of reason on my 2026 bingo card

Okay, if anyone actually wants the legitimate argument against this, here it is

There is no legitimate argument against it and the fact that Democratic politicians fight so hard in the name of "It's just too much of a burden for these folks to get something that they're already getting so they can drive a car legally" tells you that they want to protect it for nefarious reasons.

Do I think the Democrats won the 2020 Presidential election based on fraud? No. Do I believe these stories about how voter fraud is astonishingly rare? About as much I believe all those stories by liberal corporate journalists that asserted confidently that COVID came from a bat in a wet market.

I can't see any valid reason NOT to require ID when voting. I remember the first time I voted, I had my ID out and was surprised I didn't need it.

Don't want to go to the trouble to create "National Identification Cards"? Just accept state DLs or IDs... any valid picture ID.

Is the Dems' fighting this "nefarious"? Or just another woke stupid thing they do? As a stupid Dem myself, I figure the latter.




No IDs enable individuals to vote multiple times, non citizens to vote, etc.

Only trumped by mail-in voting.

movielover, we have agreed on a number of things over the past several years! Okay, not too big of a number, but still...

Mail-in voting is a vestige of the pandemic, which is gone. Everybody has a ****ing ID. If a few people don't what are the chances they want to vote? Stupid California keeps accepting votes until a week after the election because... what if someone dropped their ballot in the mailbox on election day and it got "lost in the mail" for awhile and didn't arrive for six days? Jesus...

If there is ever a big voter fraud problem, it might come in the window after the ballots are cast, but before they are officially counted as votes. Especially with the electronic machines. That's what I'd be worried about. All you would need is some expertise with electronic machines that can manipulate numbers to get any desired outcome. Why, I bet anybody who has ever owned a casino would know how to...

Oh, wait...
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Aunburdened said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:



I didn't have Nicki being the voice of reason on my 2026 bingo card

Okay, if anyone actually wants the legitimate argument against this, here it is

There is no legitimate argument against it and the fact that Democratic politicians fight so hard in the name of "It's just too much of a burden for these folks to get something that they're already getting so they can drive a car legally" tells you that they want to protect it for nefarious reasons.

Not everyone drives a car but they should still get to vote.

You need ID for about 10 other things other than just driving a car and you expose how intellectually dishonest you are when you pretend it's a burden for those folks to get ID.

This video has been posted here before, but it bears repeating just to point out how incredibly weak these Democrat arguments against voter ID are.




Liberal racism and or pandering.
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"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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for convenience here's DW's missing link (finger crossed)..
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-california-congressional-maps-8362a34b739ea91d37a190eee1b6a6d1

> WASHINGTON (AP) The Supreme Court on Wednesday allowed California to use a new voter-approved congressional map that is favorable to Democrats in this year's elections, rejecting a last-ditch plea from state Republicans and the Trump administration.
No justices dissented from the brief order denying the appeal without explanation, as is common on the court's emergency docket.
sycasey
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SCOTUS has been pretty consistent about this: Gerrymandering is all fine. Or at least, it's not against the Constitution.

If we want to stop it then Congress has to pass a law.
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smh said:

for convenience here's DW's missing link (finger crossed)..
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-california-congressional-maps-8362a34b739ea91d37a190eee1b6a6d1

> WASHINGTON (AP) The Supreme Court on Wednesday allowed California to use a new voter-approved congressional map that is favorable to Democrats in this year's elections, rejecting a last-ditch plea from state Republicans and the Trump administration.
No justices dissented from the brief order denying the appeal without explanation, as is common on the court's emergency docket.


Quote:


Conservative Justice Samuel Alito wrote in December that it appeared both states had adopted new maps for political advantage, which the high court has previously ruled cannot be a basis for a federal lawsuit.

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Interesting from Florida
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