It's not about you. It's about the double standard applied to everything Trump says that isn't the applied to what democrats say.

BearlySane88 said:

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It's not about you. It's about the double standard applied to everything Trump says that isn't the applied to what democrats say.

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Ah, so this whole little back-and-forth has just been you being deliberately obtuse. Okay.

No, I stand by my posts and what they said. Just happened to be able to prove a point at the same time

BearlySane88 said:

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It's not about you. It's about the double standard applied to everything Trump says that isn't the applied to what democrats say.

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Jeanine Pirro's office shelves pursuit of Democrats over social video, sources say

https://share.google/DTy3z6VLvPuznzLnB

What in the world does that have to do with my post?

BearlySane88 said:

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What in the world does that have to do with my post?

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You don't pay very good attention do you?

You talked about a DOUBLE STANDARD did you not?

Here.... let me help you once again.

Pete Hegseth stated the same thing that the Democrats were accused of.

More irony.
More hypocrisy.

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So you're proving my point. Thank you

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Yes.
Donald Trump is clearly a RACIST.

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Where's the video evidence? There's always video of Democrats.

I was talking about a double standard in regards to being called racist but cool story

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gavin-newsom-told-predominantly-black-182551303.html

Many reports describe it as "predominantly black" or "largely black," fitting the event's focus on engaging Black voters ahead of potential 2028 presidential ambitions.

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This "report" is an opinion piece and is clearly BASED ON THE ORIGINAL TWEET. It's a falsehood on top of a falsehood and you are falling for it.

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The author is Nigerian. I'm gonna listen to the black lady

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This is who we have teaching the future of our country. I weep for America.

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When did the left stop supporting black women?

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People can support black women as a group and disagree with an individual black woman. Sort of like I do with you.

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I just read the exchange on the prior page.
Pfft. What a load of nonsense.
And there is No Way this person is a half black female from Broadway Terrace.

No self respecting half African female from anywhere would equate Gavin Newsom's self-deprecation on SAT scores to Donald Trump's OVERT, REPEATED, and LIFELONG displays of racism.

Here's the secret to dealing with hogs: don't get in the mud with them. They love the mud, they want to draw you into the mud, they will even invent a ruse to draw you in.

But it's lipstick on a pig, so I just urge you and everyone else, DO hit the Ignore button, DO NOT hit the Reply button.

You entirely missed the point and just went straight to personal attacks. Exactly what I'd expect from someone who wishes death on others.

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No, I stand by my posts and what they said. Just happened to be able to prove a point at the same time

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Okay, in that case you were wrong when you opened with this:

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There was nothing made up. Let's be real, if Trump said the exact same thing every TDS sufferer would be calling him racist.

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Yes there was. The claim that Newsom was speaking to "a black audience" is clearly made up. You still stand by that?

There are several reports that it was a majority black audience as were provided. You provided reports saying otherwise. Agree to disagree.

morning OT. reminds of a movie moment quite a few years ago, as the mind games resume

caption woulda / coulda celebrates the Smell of Napalm

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There are several reports that it was a majority black audience as were provided. You provided reports saying otherwise. Agree to disagree.

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Those reports are simply not true and, upon review, are based on the original erroneous Tweets from right-wing influencers. There is video of the event. This is not arguable.

Here’s video. Also, I’ve now spoken to several people who were there. Everyone confirms that there were only a handful of Black people there. But if you didn’t see the room, why did you publicly declare that he was talking to Black voters? https://t.co/FUY6FMa8jK pic.twitter.com/JdI92AUiWK

— Marc Lamont Hill (@marclamonthill) February 23, 2026

They live in a 1984 world.

Why bother engaging there.
Add it all up, has anything good ever come from it?

Politics becomes v boring bc every cycle, its just special interests deploying culture war to con voters. For Dems its civil rights, idpol bile, for GOP its trans/migration crap. Emotionally manipulative ads to make you forget who owns these politicians. https://t.co/GEXlMd6jgE

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) February 24, 2026

So do you support a repeal of citizens vs united?

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They live in a 1984 world.

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i prefer 1999

concordtom said:

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So do you support a repeal of citizens vs united?

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Yes. It may require a constitutional amendment that establishes that the First Amendment does not apply to political contributions, but between the legislature and the courts, that decision needs to be overturned.

A close friend has booked earlier to go on a vacation in Puerto Vallarta in early March, cancelled his plans due to the cartel wars, and booked for Bali instead...

In Indonesia's Bali Island, after three days of nonstop rainfall, streets have turned into lakes, and pythons reaching up to 5 meters in length have started to be spotted in them…

pic.twitter.com/lq1kmYJm6M

— Tansu Yegen (@TansuYegen) February 25, 2026

The FBI recorded phone calls of Kash Patel and Susie Wiles in 2022, including a conversation Wiles had with her attorney. The attorney consented. I am not up to speed on attorney client privilege so maybe it is allowed. However, I would think giving such consent would be a seriously career limiting move...who else would trust that person to represent them?

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The FBI recorded phone calls of Kash Patel and Susie Wiles in 2022, including a conversation Wiles had with her attorney. The attorney consented. I am not up to speed on attorney client privilege so maybe it is allowed. However, I would think giving such consent would be a seriously career limiting move...who else would trust that person to represent them?

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Here is your answer. It is complex:

In 2023, the FBI reportedly recorded a phone call between Susie Wiles and her attorney under a one-party consent arrangement.
Reuters

According to reports from Reuters and Fox News, the situation unfolded as follows:

Attorney Consent: Two FBI officials stated that Wiles' attorney was aware the call was being recorded and provided consent to the bureau. Wiles herself was reportedly not informed of the recording.

Investigative Context: The recording occurred during Special Counsel Jack Smith's federal investigations into Donald Trump, specifically regarding his retention of classified documents and efforts to overturn the 2020 election. At the time, Wiles was a private citizen and a close adviser to Trump.

Subpoenaed Records: In addition to this recorded call, the FBI also subpoenaed the phone toll records (logs of call times and recipients) of Wiles and Kash Patel during 2022 and 2023.

Controversy: Current FBI Director Kash Patel has characterized these actions as examples of government overreach and "flimsy pretexts" used by previous leadership to evade oversight. Patel also claimed the records were buried in files labeled as "Prohibited" to avoid detection.
Reuters

Recording a call between an attorney and a client under one-party consent involves a complex intersection of federal wiretapping laws, state regulations, and professional ethics.

1. Federal Wiretapping Legality
Under the federal Wiretap Act (18 U.S.C. 2511), it is legal to record a conversation as long as one party to the communication has given prior consent.
Gray Reed

Warrantless Interception: If the attorney (a participant) provides consent to the FBI, the recording is generally considered legal at the federal level without a search warrant.

Third-Party Exclusion: The law prohibits "eavesdropping"recording a conversation where none of the participants are aware of the recording.
Justia

2. Attorney-Client Privilege Impacts
While the recording may be legal under wiretap statutes, the content of the call may still be legally protected from use in court due to attorney-client privilege.

Privilege Belongs to the Client: Legal privilege is held by the client, not the attorney. An attorney's consent to record a call does not automatically waive the client's right to privilege.

Crime-Fraud Exception: Privilege is voided if the communication was for the purpose of planning or committing a crime or fraud. Law enforcement can often bypass privilege if they can demonstrate this exception to a judge.

"Taint"* Teams: To handle potentially privileged recordings, the DOJ often uses "filter" or "taint teams"independent prosecutors who review the recordings to ensure investigators only see non-privileged material.
Greenspun Shapiro Ginsberg & Yang PC

3. Ethical Considerations for the Attorney
Even if legal, an attorney secretly recording a client or allowing the government to do so faces significant ethical risks.
University of Illinois Chicago

American Bar Association (ABA) Stance: The ABA's Formal Opinion 01-422 notes that while not necessarily a violation of professional rules in one-party states, recording a client without their knowledge is "inadvisable" and may undermine the trust central to the relationship.

State-Specific Ethics: Some state bars view secret recording of a client as "inherently deceitful" or a violation of Model Rule 8.4 (misconduct), which can lead to disciplinary action or disbarment.
Congress.gov

4. State Law Variability
In the 11-12 "all-party consent" states (such as California, Florida, or Maryland), recording a call without the consent of everyone on the line is a criminal offense. In these jurisdictions, the attorney's consent alone would not be sufficient to make the recording legal under state law.
Justia


*….and we all know what "taint" is, don't we?

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Crime-Fraud Exception: Privilege is voided if the communication was for the purpose of planning or committing a crime or fraud. Law enforcement can often bypass privilege if they can demonstrate this exception to a judge.

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This was what I was probably thinking about / trying to remember. It is a curious exception though because the purpose of the call is to "plan" or "commit" a crime...so a client would presumably be actively planning the crime to / with their attorney? Either way, if this guy was my attorney I'd be hiring new representation asap.

Yep.

Maybe he knew she was clean and it was his hope it would terminate the investigation as to her. Plus, her attorney probably tipped her off, which explains why during the phone call Wiles said, "I have always thought Jack Smith is the best attorney in America." (Joking).

It would have been funny if during the tapped call she said some incriminating stuff about Trump….and may have….we will find out some day because Judge Cannon cannot keep those files confidential in perpetuity.

Incredible: Americans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers. https://t.co/e8UXlxR8Zv

— Nikhil Pal Singh (@nikhil_palsingh) February 26, 2026

Americans fleeing Trump's cursed domain kinda/sorta makes sense, if folks believe they
can build a better life anywhere else, a song sung blue..

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Americans fleeing Trump's cursed domain kinda/sorta makes sense, if folks believe they
can build a better life anywhere else, a song sung blue..

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The only people self-deporting are illegals, Rosie O'Donnell, and Ellen Degenerate.

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Americans fleeing Trump's cursed domain kinda/sorta makes sense, if folks believe they
can build a better life anywhere else, a song sung blue..

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The only people self-deporting are illegals, Rosie O'Donnell, and Ellen Degenerate.

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And Timothy Snyder, who is hiding away in Canada

My kids would have a better future in Europe except maybe the language barrier (and England's dismal weather). Friends lived in Denmark for a year and raved about it. Just being in Switzerland recently you can see how much better their daily lifestyle is.

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So do you support a repeal of citizens vs united?

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Yes. It may require a constitutional amendment that establishes that the First Amendment does not apply to political contributions, but between the legislature and the courts, that decision needs to be overturned.

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Great to hear!
I've thought a lot, and typed a lot about conclusions I've drawn, about how simple minded humans actually are. We respond to subconscious emotions which can be prompted by clever and repeated marketing schemes.
Money ends up mattering a lot, perhaps foremost in the complex mechanics of the brain.

I don't have all the solutions, but I think when money essentially buys votes, and studies show a strong correlation, then we aren't necessarily voting for the "best" ideas and candidates - rather the most well-funded.

I'm glad we agree.

tequila4kapp said:

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The FBI recorded phone calls of Kash Patel and Susie Wiles in 2022, including a conversation Wiles had with her attorney. The attorney consented. I am not up to speed on attorney client privilege so maybe it is allowed. However, I would think giving such consent would be a seriously career limiting move...who else would trust that person to represent them?

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Consented to what? Sex? Having the fbi record the conversation?
Clearly I'm not following breaking news while living in the "senior community" with mom, who last night told me I should consult her 9 years late husband on a matter. Oh boy, this is going to be fun.

Never mind… I see the follow on conversation with Bearister.

But why is this even in the news?
Why did the fact that this recording was made come to be in the news?

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Americans fleeing Trump's cursed domain kinda/sorta makes sense, if folks believe they
can build a better life anywhere else, a song sung blue..

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That's how people populated the colonies.
They got sick of opportunities their homelands afforded them and tried their luck elsewhere.

Everyone who let right wing bigots control the trans discussion by getting you to focus on trans athletes should feel really proud of their efforts.

Kansas has invalidated all trans drivers licenses. You let the bigots control the discussion.