The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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sycasey
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Cal88 said:

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movielover said:

Snippet from the readout of the recent Trump Putin phone call, as provided by Russia:

"It was also noted that since the beginning of 2025, Russia has handed over more than 20,000 bodies of fallen Ukrainian servicemen, while Ukraine has returned just over 500 bodies of Russian servicemen."

http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/79660

Okay, but if Putin hadn't started the war there would be no dead servicemen to return.


The question in 2026 though is, why is NATO still pushing for a war in Ukraine where Ukrainians have been dying in grossly disproportionate numbers??

To The Last Ukrainian?

Russia started the war and is still waging the war. Ukraine's government has chosen to keep fighting back. NATO doesn't have to push for anything.

Now, what NATO countries could do is to stop assisting Ukraine at all and leave them to fight for themselves and simply be overrun. That seems to be the outcome you want.
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Its an unwinnable war for Ukraine and the EU, and the EU / Biden WH / CIA instigated it and stopped the subsequent Istanbul Peace Accords. On top of this, the cokehead leader and his Nazi leadership skim 20 - 40% off the top, which leads to severe skepticism. Zelensky is unpopular and hasn't had an election in years. You ignore all these facts. Why? Dumping another $50 billion or $100 billion won't change the trajectory of the war.

The solution is simple. Give up land, including Crimea (duh), commit to being neutral, and end the war with a peace deal.
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movielover said:

Its an unwinnable war for Ukraine and the EU, and the EU / Biden WH / CIA instigated it and stopped the subsequent Istanbul Peace Accords. On top of this, the cokehead leader and his Nazi leadership skim 20 - 40% off the top, which leads to severe skepticism. Zelensky is unpopular and hasn't had an election in years. You ignore all these facts. Why?

Because most of those are not "facts." It's your editorializing (or whatever you're getting from your Twitter follows).
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The US and UK Demand a Long War: Fighting Russia with Ukrainians

"In late March 2022, Zelensky revealed in an interview with the Economist that "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".[6]


"The Israeli and Turkish mediators confirmed that Ukraine and Russia were both eager to make a compromise to end the war before the US and the UK intervened to prevent peace from breaking out."

"Zelensky had contacted former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to mediate the peace negotiations with Moscow. Bennett noted that Putin was willing to make "huge concessions" if Ukraine would restore its neutrality to end NATO expansion. Zelensky accepted this condition and "both sides very much wanted a ceasefire". However, Bennett argued that the US and UK then intervened and "blocked" the peace agreement as they favoured a long war."



Includes 22 citations. ^^^

Official: Johnson Forced Kyiv To Refuse Russian Peace Deal

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/official-johnson-forced-kyiv-to-refuse-russian-peace-deal/

PM Fico alleges Boris Johnson was given one million Euros to convince Ukraine to continue fighting by a Ukrainian arms manufacturer

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movielover said:

Among all the recent noise, Susan Kokinda noted the recent long phone call between Trump and Putin. The two reportedly share similiar views, and view Europe as pushing Ukraine to continue the war.

Putin has been relying more on Dmitiev and Ushakov, who are more pro-western/US. The former is a businessman type, sort of the Russian equivalent of Trump's Witkoff. Not sure if anything is going to come out from this, whether in Ukraine or Iran, but at least the communication channels are more open than usual.
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movielover said:

Its an unwinnable war for Ukraine and the EU, and the EU / Biden WH / CIA instigated it and stopped the subsequent Istanbul Peace Accords. On top of this, the cokehead leader and his Nazi leadership skim 20 - 40% off the top, which leads to severe skepticism. Zelensky is unpopular and hasn't had an election in years. You ignore all these facts. Why? Dumping another $50 billion or $100 billion won't change the trajectory of the war.

The solution is simple. Give up land, including Crimea (duh), commit to being neutral, and end the war with a peace deal.


Amen.
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sycasey
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movielover said:

The US and UK Demand a Long War: Fighting Russia with Ukrainians

"In late March 2022, Zelensky revealed in an interview with the Economist that "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".[6]


"The Israeli and Turkish mediators confirmed that Ukraine and Russia were both eager to make a compromise to end the war before the US and the UK intervened to prevent peace from breaking out."

"Zelensky had contacted former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to mediate the peace negotiations with Moscow. Bennett noted that Putin was willing to make "huge concessions" if Ukraine would restore its neutrality to end NATO expansion. Zelensky accepted this condition and "both sides very much wanted a ceasefire". However, Bennett argued that the US and UK then intervened and "blocked" the peace agreement as they favoured a long war."



Includes 22 citations. ^^^

More opinion from former paid RT contributor Glenn Diesen. A lot of this hinges on how much you believe Putin's promises were real, which I do not.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

movielover said:

The US and UK Demand a Long War: Fighting Russia with Ukrainians

"In late March 2022, Zelensky revealed in an interview with the Economist that "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".[6]


"The Israeli and Turkish mediators confirmed that Ukraine and Russia were both eager to make a compromise to end the war before the US and the UK intervened to prevent peace from breaking out."

"Zelensky had contacted former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to mediate the peace negotiations with Moscow. Bennett noted that Putin was willing to make "huge concessions" if Ukraine would restore its neutrality to end NATO expansion. Zelensky accepted this condition and "both sides very much wanted a ceasefire". However, Bennett argued that the US and UK then intervened and "blocked" the peace agreement as they favoured a long war."



Includes 22 citations. ^^^

More opinion from former paid RT contributor Glenn Diesen. A lot of this hinges on how much you believe Putin's promises were real, which I do not.


Your stance is based on superficial takes that completely ignore the history and demography of Ukraine, and on a comic book take of Putin as the "bad hombre" a la 1939.

However, seasoned, smart foreign policy actors like Bill Clinton and Obama have stated that Putin has always kept his word:



Your stance also ignores the reality of this war, and these basic facts :

-Ukraine has already lost 1.5M KIAs and is still losing men at a very high rate
-Ukraine cannot possibly win this war of attrition
-The majority Russian territories that Russia has annexed don't want to be part of a Ukraine that wants to erase their culture
- The majority of soldiers in Ukraine are being forcibly conscripted, with ever increasing violence, they are now using guns against the families and neighbors of men being forcibly captured:


It is not in Ukraine's interest to continue fighting, Zelensky's alliance of oligarchs, war profiteers and ultranationalists do not represent the average Ukrainian.

The deal offered by the Russians, which boils down to freezing the borders, NATO out of Ukraine and basic rights to minorities inside Ukraine, is a reasonable one. The alternative being hundreds of thousands more Ukrainian KIAs and more territory annexed by Russia over the next 2 years, they will annex all of the remaining Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

The US and UK Demand a Long War: Fighting Russia with Ukrainians

"In late March 2022, Zelensky revealed in an interview with the Economist that "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".[6]


"The Israeli and Turkish mediators confirmed that Ukraine and Russia were both eager to make a compromise to end the war before the US and the UK intervened to prevent peace from breaking out."

"Zelensky had contacted former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to mediate the peace negotiations with Moscow. Bennett noted that Putin was willing to make "huge concessions" if Ukraine would restore its neutrality to end NATO expansion. Zelensky accepted this condition and "both sides very much wanted a ceasefire". However, Bennett argued that the US and UK then intervened and "blocked" the peace agreement as they favoured a long war."



Includes 22 citations. ^^^

More opinion from former paid RT contributor Glenn Diesen. A lot of this hinges on how much you believe Putin's promises were real, which I do not.


Your stance is based on superficial takes that completely ignore the history and demography of Ukraine, and on a comic book take of Putin as the "bad hombre" a la 1939.

No, it's based on Putin's current and past actions.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

The US and UK Demand a Long War: Fighting Russia with Ukrainians

"In late March 2022, Zelensky revealed in an interview with the Economist that "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".[6]


"The Israeli and Turkish mediators confirmed that Ukraine and Russia were both eager to make a compromise to end the war before the US and the UK intervened to prevent peace from breaking out."

"Zelensky had contacted former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to mediate the peace negotiations with Moscow. Bennett noted that Putin was willing to make "huge concessions" if Ukraine would restore its neutrality to end NATO expansion. Zelensky accepted this condition and "both sides very much wanted a ceasefire". However, Bennett argued that the US and UK then intervened and "blocked" the peace agreement as they favoured a long war."



Includes 22 citations. ^^^

More opinion from former paid RT contributor Glenn Diesen. A lot of this hinges on how much you believe Putin's promises were real, which I do not.


Your stance is based on superficial takes that completely ignore the history and demography of Ukraine, and on a comic book take of Putin as the "bad hombre" a la 1939.

No, it's based on Putin's current and past actions.


Bill Clinton disagrees.
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You won't acknowledge the basic facts of:

- we (includes NATO) instigated the conflict
- Russia sees NATO expansion as an existential threat (President Obama concurs)
- historically, those that want to conquer Russia come via Ukraine
- we have written plans to 'dismantle' Russia
- Sullivan, Nuland, Kerry, State Dept., et al spit-balled a hypothesis that a civil war in Eastern Ukraine could spill over into Russia and topel Putin. (That's beyond baffling.)
- we thought an economic blockaid would help topel Russia
- Blackrock, BigAg, etc are carving up Ukraine and had eyes on Russia ($75+ Trillion in mineral wealth)

I met a young Ukranian family at MacDonalds about 1.5 years into the war. I tread lightly for many reasons, including their young son being present. But the young boy relayed that some Russian troops allegedly went to battle in parade uniforms - it could have been the contingent that tried to reach Kiev. That could be propoganda, or truth. But if Russia really wanted to take Kiev, they'd take 5x, 10x, 20x the force. They seemed to start slow for some "evil empire", and even retired Israeli PM Bennet said the Istanbul Peace Accords were agreed to and sincere. Russia wanted / wants a neutral Ukraine.
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movielover said:

You won't acknowledge the basic facts of:

- we (includes NATO) instigated the conflict
- Russia sees NATO expansion as an existential threat (President Obama concurs)
- historically, those that want to conquer Russia come via Ukraine
- we have written plans to 'dismantle' Russia
- Sullivan, Nuland, Kerry, State Dept., et al spit-balled a hypothesis that a civil war in Eastern Ukraine could spill over into Russia and topel Putin. (That's beyond baffling.)
- we thought an economic blockaid would help topel Russia
- Blackrock, BigAg, etc are carving up Ukraine and had eyes on Russia ($75+ Trillion in mineral wealth)

"Instigated the conflict" is an opinion, not a fact, but okay for the rest.

So what? Some of our government folks discussed some ideas and Russia (Putin) seems to have a weird paranoia about NATO expansion, despite the fact that NATO has never actually attacked Russia. Still doesn't mean Putin was forced to start a war. He did that on his own.
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We gave Gorby assurances NATO wouldn't expand. NATO has now marched eastward since the fall of the USSR, adding 16 countries.

How would we feel if China added Mexico to a security alliance, and stationed "defensive weapons" and men there?
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movielover said:

We gave Gorby assurances NATO wouldn't expand. NATO has now marched eastward since the fall of the USSR, adding 16 countries.

How would we feel if China added Mexico to a security alliance, and stationed "defensive weapons" and men there?

We probably wouldn't like it, but I still wouldn't advocate for invading Mexico.
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movielover said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

movielover said:

About 10 - 15% of our current footprint. Make it 10K

There is some U.S. law (National Defense Authorization Act) that imposes limits on reducing U.S. troop levels in Europe.


Presser today: President Trump was questioned about pulling troops out of Germany: "we are going to cut way down, and we are cutting a lot more than the 5,000."

Great.


This is an ignorant move by 47.
He's doing it out of spite because he had his feelings hurt by Friedrich Merz.

US european command based in Germany can ensure the region remains a platform for US homeland defense and power projection.

ANY WITHDRAWAL OF US TROOPS FROM EUROPE WOULD UNDERMINE THE COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO PROJECT POWER AROUND THE WORLD.

MOST OF THESE TROOPS AREN'T NATO SOLDIERS.
THEY SERVE US INTERESTS.

US military operations in Germany support US forces not just in Europe, but also across Africa and the Middle East and offer an alternate route to the Indo-Pacific alongside crossing the Pacific Ocean.

This should be obvious to any military commander, but it seems to be totally foreign to the dumbest president the United States has ever seen.
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T is a Putin asset.
sighned, not dead yet # funk trunk; i.c.e. too
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smh said:

T is a Putin asset.

I heard about this.
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Mah Russia. Time for Europe to carry their own weight.
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"With Kremlin fears growing of a coup or assassination attempt, particularly one by drone, Russia has ramped up its security for President Vladimir Putin, 73, the Financial Times reports, citing people who know Putin in Moscow and a source close to European intelligence services.

That has meant more time in underground bunkers and fewer family visits to country homes. The staff is also barred from public transportation.

He's spending an increasing amount of his attention focused on the war with Ukraine at the expense of domestic affairs.

Russian security forces were rattled by Ukraine's Operation Spiderweb drone attack last year.

"Security fears were additionally fueled by the U.S. seizure of Venezuela's leader Nicols Maduro in January."
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Tweet won't load. Do you expect a continued stalemate, or a spring offensive?

How involved was NATO / CIA in Spiderweb?
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movielover said:

Tweet won't load. Do you expect a continued stalemate, or a spring offensive?

How involved was NATO / CIA in Spiderweb?


Some tweet get a light censorship treatment where you can still get there by clicking on them but they won't load on message boards.

Not sure about Russian plans for this Summer, probably a noticeable escalation but short of a major offensive.

NATO provides the intel, satellite etc. on these operations.
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Cal88 said:

movielover said:

Tweet won't load. Do you expect a continued stalemate, or a spring offensive?

How involved was NATO / CIA in Spiderweb?


Some tweet get a light censorship treatment where you can still get there by clicking on them but they won't load on message boards.

Not sure about Russian plans for this Summer, probably a noticeable escalation but short of a major offensive.

NATO provides the intel, satellite etc. on these operations.

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Cal88
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Tax money at work.

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Cal88 said:

Tax money at work.



(obligatory sycasey response to follow in 3, 2, 1.....)
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North Koreans now Columbians? This sucks man.
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Hundreds, if not thousands of Colombians on Ukrainian army.
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