The Official Mar 23 No Kings Thread

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Anarchistbear said:

Stop spamming the board with Gandhi ****

Just stop spamming the board with any of his crap
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chazzed said:

Republicans profess their support for the right to peacefully assemble...until the masses do so against a historically unpopular GOP president. Then they push Antifa and paid protestor nonsense.

Those wearing masks and dressed in all black are Antifa.

The 70-year old white women holding signs are the paid protestors.
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Aunburdened said:

Anarchistbear said:

Stop spamming the board with Gandhi ****

Just stop spamming the board with any of his crap

You guys are funny.
I submit a few high minded thoughts about a famous leader and you guys throw a fit.

Don't bother being inspired by anyone, or try to improve what you put out into the world, or for yourself.

My posts about Gandhi were as much as for myself as for anyone. In fact, most of what I type is for my own mental processing.

I suppose anyone on an anonymous forum is doing the same, self processing what's in their own head.
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NO KINGS
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PAC-10-BEAR said:


NO KINGS



More folks who will probably be "disenfranchised" because they won't be able to figure out voter id.

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concordtom said:

Aunburdened said:

Anarchistbear said:

Stop spamming the board with Gandhi ****

Just stop spamming the board with any of his crap

You guys are funny.
I submit a few high minded thoughts about a famous leader and you guys throw a fit.

Don't bother being inspired by anyone, or try to improve what you put out into the world, or for yourself.

My posts about Gandhi were as much as for myself as for anyone. In fact, most of what I type is for my own mental processing.

I suppose anyone on an anonymous forum is doing the same, self processing what's in their own head.


High minded thoughts about Gandhi along with the usual Trump murder porn. Thought the Gandhi was a joke, the murder porn being your signature
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Aunburdened said:




Murder Porn Alert
at 3:38 to 4:14.


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Anarchistbear said:

concordtom said:

Aunburdened said:

Anarchistbear said:

Stop spamming the board with Gandhi ****

Just stop spamming the board with any of his crap

You guys are funny.
I submit a few high minded thoughts about a famous leader and you guys throw a fit.

Don't bother being inspired by anyone, or try to improve what you put out into the world, or for yourself.

My posts about Gandhi were as much as for myself as for anyone. In fact, most of what I type is for my own mental processing.

I suppose anyone on an anonymous forum is doing the same, self processing what's in their own head.


High minded thoughts about Gandhi along with the usual Trump murder porn. Thought the Gandhi was a joke, the murder porn being your signature


It was your buddy who posted this, not me.
I've stated many times, murder is wrong.
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concordtom said:

Aunburdened said:




Murder Porn Alert
at 3:38 to 4:14.

"But you believe in the non-violence"

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concordtom said:










They should have added:

-Don't speak about specific issues, like stopping the war in Iran, releasing the Epstein files, and holding Democrats who are by and large as compliant to the MIC and AIPAC responsible, just keep this whole protest as nebulous and vague as possible.
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Cal88 said:

concordtom said:










They should have added:

-Don't speak about specific issues, like stopping the war in Iran, releasing the Epstein files, and holding Democrats who are by and large as compliant to the MIC and AIPAC responsible, just keep this whole protest as nebulous and vague as possible.

Except it's pretty obvious that people at these protests have talked about those things.
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sycasey said:


Except it's pretty obvious that people at these protests have talked about those things.

I think they've also talked about how Trump raped that woman in the department store.

And cheated on all three of his wives, had sexual with at least one porn star, playboy bunny, and hundreds of sexual partners in his life, likely, if not thousands.
And how the 70's sex scene was his personal Vietnam.

Yet, voters keep voting for him.
I suppose anything goes, including the coming retaliatory explosions on US soil.

Thank you, Mr Trump.
Thank you, voters.
Thank you, Putin.

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So I haven't participated in any of this No Kings stuff, but early in the first Trump term I was involved with creating a local group for Indivisible, and I know that the Indivisible people do a lot of the national coordination for No Kings too. I haven't been involved in that group for many years, so maybe it's changed but I'll speak to my experience with them:

The national messaging for Indivisible/No Kings is intentionally very broad and vague, because they want the local groups to tailor the message to whatever they think works for their local communities. If you're in San Francisco you can probably be as safely lefty as you want and go full pro-Palestine, pro-trans, etc. But a No Kings organizer in Boise, Idaho might want to have a more moderate message that pulls in more participants in a more conservative area. They want to leave that up to them, so the national guidance will not name a lot of specific policies to trumpet. Some people want to point this out as a fault of the movement, but it is very much a feature and not a bug.
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sycasey said:

So I haven't participated in any of this No Kings stuff, but early in the first Trump term I was involved with creating a local group for Indivisible, and I know that the Indivisible people do a lot of the national coordination for No Kings too. I haven't been involved in that group for many years, so maybe it's changed but I'll speak to my experience with them:

The national messaging for Indivisible/No Kings is intentionally very broad and vague, because they want the local groups to tailor the message to whatever they think works for their local communities. If you're in San Francisco you can probably be as safely lefty as you want and go full pro-Palestine, pro-trans, etc. But a No Kings organizer in Boise, Idaho might want to have a more moderate message that pulls in more participants in a more conservative area. They want to leave that up to them, so the national guidance will not name a lot of specific policies to trumpet. Some people want to point this out as a fault of the movement, but it is very much a feature and not a bug.

That's because it's a recruitment tool for the Democratic Party and not a protest.
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

So I haven't participated in any of this No Kings stuff, but early in the first Trump term I was involved with creating a local group for Indivisible, and I know that the Indivisible people do a lot of the national coordination for No Kings too. I haven't been involved in that group for many years, so maybe it's changed but I'll speak to my experience with them:

The national messaging for Indivisible/No Kings is intentionally very broad and vague, because they want the local groups to tailor the message to whatever they think works for their local communities. If you're in San Francisco you can probably be as safely lefty as you want and go full pro-Palestine, pro-trans, etc. But a No Kings organizer in Boise, Idaho might want to have a more moderate message that pulls in more participants in a more conservative area. They want to leave that up to them, so the national guidance will not name a lot of specific policies to trumpet. Some people want to point this out as a fault of the movement, but it is very much a feature and not a bug.

That's because it's a recruitment tool for the Democratic Party and not a protest.

Indivisible makes no real secret of that: they want to elect more Democrats.
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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

So I haven't participated in any of this No Kings stuff, but early in the first Trump term I was involved with creating a local group for Indivisible, and I know that the Indivisible people do a lot of the national coordination for No Kings too. I haven't been involved in that group for many years, so maybe it's changed but I'll speak to my experience with them:

The national messaging for Indivisible/No Kings is intentionally very broad and vague, because they want the local groups to tailor the message to whatever they think works for their local communities. If you're in San Francisco you can probably be as safely lefty as you want and go full pro-Palestine, pro-trans, etc. But a No Kings organizer in Boise, Idaho might want to have a more moderate message that pulls in more participants in a more conservative area. They want to leave that up to them, so the national guidance will not name a lot of specific policies to trumpet. Some people want to point this out as a fault of the movement, but it is very much a feature and not a bug.

That's because it's a recruitment tool for the Democratic Party and not a protest.

Indivisible makes no real secret of that: they want to elect more Democrats.

Now all you have to do is just take that final step and admit what everyone else knows, but you are too proud to admit
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

So I haven't participated in any of this No Kings stuff, but early in the first Trump term I was involved with creating a local group for Indivisible, and I know that the Indivisible people do a lot of the national coordination for No Kings too. I haven't been involved in that group for many years, so maybe it's changed but I'll speak to my experience with them:

The national messaging for Indivisible/No Kings is intentionally very broad and vague, because they want the local groups to tailor the message to whatever they think works for their local communities. If you're in San Francisco you can probably be as safely lefty as you want and go full pro-Palestine, pro-trans, etc. But a No Kings organizer in Boise, Idaho might want to have a more moderate message that pulls in more participants in a more conservative area. They want to leave that up to them, so the national guidance will not name a lot of specific policies to trumpet. Some people want to point this out as a fault of the movement, but it is very much a feature and not a bug.

That's because it's a recruitment tool for the Democratic Party and not a protest.

Indivisible makes no real secret of that: they want to elect more Democrats.

Now all you have to do is just take that final step and admit what everyone else knows, but you are too proud to admit

Huh?
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I really don't think the No Kings/Indivisible people are pro-war.
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What's wrong with calling it the We Hate Trump coalition?
Seems pretty accurate to me.
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sycasey said:

I really don't think the No Kings/Indivisible people are pro-war.

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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I really don't think the No Kings/Indivisible people are pro-war.



Yes, I agree that many of the Democratic politicians are making a bad call here. That's not necessarily the fault of No Kings though.
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Examples of Trump acting like a king:

Bypassing Congress on Spending: The administration ordered a "pause" on billions of dollars in federal grants and loans, ranging from Head Start to farm subsidies, effectively overriding spending authority previously established by Congress.

Suspending Asylum Laws: On his first day back in office, Trump declared a "national immigration emergency" and "invasion," which he used to essentially shut down the asylum process at ports of entry, ignoring existing laws passed by Congress.

Abolishing Agencies: The administration has sought to unilaterally restructure or abolish independent federal agencies and significantly reduce the civil service workforce.
The Conversation

Legal and Judicial Assertions
Claims of Absolute Immunity: Following the Supreme Court's ruling in Trump v. United States, Trump has operated under the principle of broad immunity for official acts, leading critics to argue he now behaves with the unchecked power of a king.

Ignoring Court Orders: In some instances, such as with certain deportation efforts, the administration has been accused of ignoring or flouting court orders that attempted to block executive actions.

Unitary Executive Theory: Trump and his legal team have pushed an expansive "unitary executive theory," which asserts that the president should have direct, absolute control over every part of the executive branch, including prosecutors and the FBI.
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Symbolic and Rhetorical Actions
"Long Live the King": After intervening to end New York City's congestion pricing programan act many viewed as an overreach into state and local authorityTrump posted "Long live the king" on social media.

Authoritarian Rhetoric: He has quoted Napoleon on social media, posting, "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law," to justify acting outside traditional legal constraints during perceived emergencies.

Political Loyalism: Replacing expert civil servants and independent officials with political loyalists is cited as a move to centralize power within the person of the president rather than within established institutional frameworks.
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Thank you for providing a list.

I am SO not interested in defending that list or getting into an argument. I am asking honest questions to understand how this isn't just TDS/anti-Republicanism, etc.

Here is my question: How do you level this list with the instances where the Biden Admin ignored/circumvented court orders (Title 9, student loans, CDC eviction moratorium, etc.)? The Democratic party rigging primaries to benefit one candidate (HRC) over another (Bernie)? The Democratic party booting a duly nominated candidate - who was also the sitting President - because they believed he could not win? (if they really thought he was incapable of doing the job they would have 25th Amendment-ed him). The Democratic party hand selecting a replacement candidate without any electoral process?

How are those actions any better or different? Were they not "King-like" in that centralized authority circumvented inconveniences to their ruling objective where those inconveniences were clearly rooted in democratic and rule of law principles?
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tequila4kapp said:

The Democratic party rigging primaries to benefit one candidate (HRC) over another (Bernie)? The Democratic party booting a duly nominated candidate - who was also the sitting President - because they believed he could not win? (if they really thought he was incapable of doing the job they would have 25th Amendment-ed him). The Democratic party hand selecting a replacement candidate without any electoral process?

Just narrowing to these: I'm not going to say these represented good process, but ultimately the nomination process for a political party is a private matter and not representative of actual authoritarianism. People still get to vote on the nominee once they were selected by whatever process.

If this actually represented authoritarianism, then the United States was authoritarian until the 1970s, when Presidential primaries were finally opened to public vote. Before that it was basically choosing nominees in smoke-filled rooms.
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tequila4kapp said:

Thank you for providing a list.

I am SO not interested in defending that list or getting into an argument. I am asking honest questions to understand how this isn't just TDS/anti-Republicanism, etc.

Here is my question: How do you level this list with the instances where the Biden Admin ignored/circumvented court orders (Title 9, student loans, CDC eviction moratorium, etc.)? The Democratic party rigging primaries to benefit one candidate (HRC) over another (Bernie)? The Democratic party booting a duly nominated candidate - who was also the sitting President - because they believed he could not win? (if they really thought he was incapable of doing the job they would have 25th Amendment-ed him). The Democratic party hand selecting a replacement candidate without any electoral process?

How are those actions any better or different? Were they not "King-like" in that centralized authority circumvented inconveniences to their ruling objective where those inconveniences were clearly rooted in democratic and rule of law principles?

I'll answer your question and I hope you will answer my question.

The arguable transgressions by Biden absolutely pale in comparison to the list described above about Trump. Your whataboutism is like an armed robber compared to a petty shoplifter. The things you could argue about from Biden are similar to things from basically all Presidents. Meanwhile, January 6th all by itself is worthy of the No Kings Movement.

In regards to your process concerns - HRC easily won election over Bernie. And Kamala Harris was on the ticket that the democrats voted for in the 2024 primary. When Biden pulled his name, Kamala Harris was the only viable and legal candidate. Any other choice would have been abusive of the process.

Here is my question for you: Has your son's military service been affected by Trump's war? If so, what can you tell us about it?
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Bearister's list did not include the biggest item: Trump starting a disastrous war of choice that has plunged the world into chaos and will result in mass hunger and economic strife.
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While there is no official clinical diagnosis, many mental health professionals, biographers, and political analysts have argued that Donald Trump exhibits significant megalomaniacal and narcissistic tendencies.

These observations are typically based on his public rhetoric, leadership style, and documented behaviors. Key themes include:

Expert and Clinical Perspectives
Malignant Narcissism: Numerous psychologists, including those from Johns Hopkins and contributors to the Duty to Warn movement, argue he fits the profile of a "malignant narcissist." This condition blends extreme narcissism with antisocial behavior, paranoia, and sadism.

The "Dark Triad": Analysts from the New York Times and other outlets have linked his behavior to the "dark triad," a combination of narcissism (grandiosity), Machiavellianism (manipulation), and psychopathy (lack of empathy).

Solipsism: Some observers describe him as a "solipsist," meaning he perceives himself as the only point of reference, leading to a profound lack of empathy for others.
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Observed Behaviors Cited as Evidence
Grandiosity and Omnipotence: His frequent claims that "I alone can fix it" and assertions of being a "stable genius" are cited as classic megalomaniacal traits.

Authoritarian "Strongman" Style: Historians like Ruth Ben-Ghiat note he shares personality traits with historical autocrats, including a "massive ego" and a desire for absolute control.

Monarchic Mindset: Critics and former allies have described his administration as having a "monarchic phase," where he demands total personal control over all government decisions and expects absolute loyalty from a "royal court" of advisers.

Invincibility Claims: Statements suggesting he is "above the law" or could "shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue" without losing support are frequently analyzed as evidence of an unbridled sense of entitlement and invincibility.

Whether Donald Trump exhibits totalitarian tendencies is a subject of intense debate, with many scholars and critics pointing to actions and rhetoric they characterize as authoritarian, such as suggesting the termination of parts of the Constitution, targeting political opponents, and expressing a desire for absolute control over the Justice Department.
NPR

Key Aspects of the Argument:
Rhetoric and Rhetorical Style: Critics point to comments suggesting he would be a dictator on "day one," labeling political opponents as enemies, and using, as described in this Berkeley News article, "authoritarian populism" to stoke nativism.

Executive Authority: Trump has claimed an "absolute right" to manage the Justice Department and stated that Article II allows him to do "whatever I want".

Challenges to Democratic Norms: Actions such as questioning election results, proposing to use the Insurrection Act for domestic policing, and challenging the press have led to claims of an anti-democratic approach.



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Trump is bigger than just a king, he is the king of kings.



"Pastor" Paula White, lol.
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tequila4kapp said:

Thank you for providing a list.

I am SO not interested in defending that list or getting into an argument. I am asking honest questions to understand how this isn't just TDS/anti-Republicanism, etc.

Here is my question: How do you level this list with the instances where the Biden Admin ignored/circumvented court orders (Title 9, student loans, CDC eviction moratorium, etc.)? The Democratic party rigging primaries to benefit one candidate (HRC) over another (Bernie)? The Democratic party booting a duly nominated candidate - who was also the sitting President - because they believed he could not win? (if they really thought he was incapable of doing the job they would have 25th Amendment-ed him). The Democratic party hand selecting a replacement candidate without any electoral process?

How are those actions any better or different? Were they not "King-like" in that centralized authority circumvented inconveniences to their ruling objective where those inconveniences were clearly rooted in democratic and rule of law principles?

The real problem is that the executive branch has had too much power ceded to them by the legislative branch.
 
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