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BearlySane88
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tequila4kapp said:

Understood. I didn't mean to say it was a legal requirement. I do not remember that it's a legal requirement here in Oregon, either. But it's part of the CCP training, for the reasons I've already mentioned


Absolutely, it's something you should do regardless

I just looked it up and you have to inform as soon as contact is made with an LEO in Alaska, Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Texas. Some of those states have different rules in different counties.
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

This is not a definition that anyone, anywhere would assume when you say a person was "rushed."

You are correct.




"Sometimes used figuratively" but you didn't highlight that part

Yeah but clearly connotes aggression or an attack. Moving in between the agent and a woman to get hit with pepper spray himself is not that.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

This is not a definition that anyone, anywhere would assume when you say a person was "rushed."

You are correct.




"Sometimes used figuratively" but you didn't highlight that part

Yeah but clearly connotes aggression or an attack. Moving in between the agent and a woman to get hit with pepper spray himself is not that.


Personally, I don't believe the word "rushed" has any application here.
The word that is much more accurate is IMPEDED.

He impeded the officer.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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BearlySane88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Understood. I didn't mean to say it was a legal requirement. I do not remember that it's a legal requirement here in Oregon, either. But it's part of the CCP training, for the reasons I've already mentioned


Absolutely, it's something you should do regardless

I just looked it up and you have to inform as soon as contact is made with an LEO in Alaska, Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Texas. Some of those states have different rules in different counties.

In this case, as soon as contact was made he had pepper spray in his face and was being tackled. Not shocking he didn't inform anyone of his concealed carry at that point.
DiabloWags
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Understood. I didn't mean to say it was a legal requirement. I do not remember that it's a legal requirement here in Oregon, either. But it's part of the CCP training, for the reasons I've already mentioned


Absolutely, it's something you should do regardless

I just looked it up and you have to inform as soon as contact is made with an LEO in Alaska, Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Texas. Some of those states have different rules in different counties.

In this case, as soon as contact was made he had pepper spray in his face and was being tackled. Not shocking he didn't inform anyone of his concealed carry at that point.


Exactly.
It seems like all common sense has been thrown out the window.by some of these posts.
It's like Monday Morning Quarterbacking times 500 by those that have never experienced pepper spray.

This is Trump's America.





"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:



ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.


They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.









Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

Except shoot someone invading the Capitol, of course.


When an ICE agent draws their gun and shoots someone standing on the sidewalk with their protest sign with no resisting and no violence, I'll be the first to admonish them.

Well check back in after that happens and see if you stick to this or if you start repeating what the right-wing Twitter accounts have come up with to excuse it.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

This is not a definition that anyone, anywhere would assume when you say a person was "rushed."

You are correct.




"Sometimes used figuratively" but you didn't highlight that part

Yeah but clearly connotes aggression or an attack. Moving in between the agent and a woman to get hit with pepper spray himself is not that.


It was aggressive in my view. Putting hands on an LEO in that type of situation will always be viewed as aggressive.
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Understood. I didn't mean to say it was a legal requirement. I do not remember that it's a legal requirement here in Oregon, either. But it's part of the CCP training, for the reasons I've already mentioned


Absolutely, it's something you should do regardless

I just looked it up and you have to inform as soon as contact is made with an LEO in Alaska, Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Texas. Some of those states have different rules in different counties.

In this case, as soon as contact was made he had pepper spray in his face and was being tackled. Not shocking he didn't inform anyone of his concealed carry at that point.


He also wasn't legally required to but no as soon as contact was made he was getting in between the ICE agent and another person and putting hands on the agent. Then he got sprayed
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DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

tequila4kapp said:

Understood. I didn't mean to say it was a legal requirement. I do not remember that it's a legal requirement here in Oregon, either. But it's part of the CCP training, for the reasons I've already mentioned


Absolutely, it's something you should do regardless

I just looked it up and you have to inform as soon as contact is made with an LEO in Alaska, Arkansas, California, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Texas. Some of those states have different rules in different counties.

In this case, as soon as contact was made he had pepper spray in his face and was being tackled. Not shocking he didn't inform anyone of his concealed carry at that point.


Exactly.
It seems like all common sense has been thrown out the window.by some of these posts.
It's like Monday Morning Quarterbacking times 500 by those that have never experienced pepper spray.

This is Trump's America.








One of those pictures you just posted showed a great time for him to disclose he's carrying or to avoid further interaction by stepping back and not getting involved further.

I experience pepper spray twice, once by choice with a cop buddy.

This has also already been discussed here but only one of those two people ignored the commands of an LEO
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

sycasey said:

DiabloWags said:

tequila4kapp said:



ICE is doing its job (reminder: yesterday's action was to detain an illegal immigrant convicted of spouse abuse (?)). That is who the people in the streets were intervening on behalf of. So yes, it would be great if the admin dialed back a bit but we also have to recognize they are facing extraordinary resistance and obstruction, not just peaceful protesters. The people in the streets are absolutely creating / contributing to the shootings with their own actions. It needs to stop.


They are absolutely creating and contributing to the shootings?
How would you know?
Are you there?

That's not what the Minneapolis Chief of Police said this morning on CNN.









Pretty clear that for some folks here there is nothing the cops could do that would seem wrong to them.

Except shoot someone invading the Capitol, of course.


When an ICE agent draws their gun and shoots someone standing on the sidewalk with their protest sign with no resisting and no violence, I'll be the first to admonish them.

Well check back in after that happens and see if you stick to this or if you start repeating what the right-wing Twitter accounts have come up with to excuse it.


This situation would not apply to what I said. It's clear he impeded as even pointed out by Diablo above.

I'm hopeful there will be no more situations to check back in on
BearlySane88
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I think I've already said this here but I do have a gripe with this administration regarding the language and rhetoric from Noem et all after this shooting.

He wasn't a domestic terrorist. He more than likely didn't go there with the intent to use his weapon.

I still think he made some really poor choices but the language being used isn't helpful at all and will only hurt their cause in the long run.
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If they do in NorCal I will vehemently protest in an agitated way. It may end up in my loss of life.

We need to crush this hate machine that Cheeto
Is inflicting on us.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever
BearlySane88
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SBGold said:

If they do in NorCal I will vehemently protest in an agitated way. It may end up in my loss of life.

We need to crush this hate machine that Cheeto
Is inflicting on us.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever


Well you do know they already deported about 4,500 from NorCal in 2025 so get on out there

https://luskin.ucla.edu/northern-california-maintains-nations-lowest-ice-arrest-rate-despite-national-surge

https://missionlocal.org/2025/12/sf-ice-arrests-criminal-history/

For someone so passionate to put their life on the line, I'm surprised you don't know this
tequila4kapp
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Please do it from a sidewalk and do not personally engage LEO/ICE.
DiabloWags
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How ironic that there are an estimated 450,000 northern Europeans that have overstayed their visa... and yet Trump isn't tracking them down and deporting them.

Might have something to do with their skin color?
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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DiabloWags said:

How ironic that there are 450,000 northern Europeans that have overstayed their visa... and yet Trump isn't tracking them down and deporting them.

Might have something to do with their skin color?



He likely is just simply smart enough to realize that 7.5 million is a much larger number than 450,000. Hopefully, as Berkeley grads, we can understand the difference. Also, have you considered that the USA is trying to deport some of these people but it just isn't a headline story?
Aunburdened
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SBGold said:

If they do in NorCal I will vehemently protest in an agitated way. It may end up in my loss of life.

We need to crush this hate machine that Cheeto
Is inflicting on us.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever

Well, at least with your cellphone camera on, you will be spending less time trolling this forum.
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Anarchistbear
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We'll finally have the board meetup SB Gold has been calling for, but only on that fateful day when he is wasted by ICE while cheering "Unity over Division, vote for Gavin"
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Anarchistbear said:

We'll finally have the board meetup SB Gold has been calling for, but only on that fateful day when he is wasted by ICE while cheering "Unity over Division, vote for Gavin"


Countdown to "flagged" post
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just imo fascist ice sucks, big time.
FUNK TRUNK !
SBGold
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I'm not the troll though, you are the troll. BIGLY
SBGold
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Did you flag it? It's a reprehensible post just like your previous one pointing out I should be out there because of what ICE is doing in NorCal. I take that to mean you would be more than happy to see me in harm's way
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Can we quit playing stupid and asking "where's the police?

The police are on the side of the communists.
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SBGold said:

Did you flag it? It's a reprehensible post just like your previous one pointing out I should be out there because of what ICE is doing in NorCal. I take that to mean you would be more than happy to see me in harm's way


Well that's not what I said at all. You said you would be out there when they came to NorCal and I told you you're late, they are already here and that I'm surprised that somebody so passionate for the cause doesn't already know that. Not sure how many times I have to say I'm not for anyone's death before you start to actually listen.

I starred T4K's post telling you how to keep save because again, I wish death on no one.
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Aunburdened said:

SBGold said:

If they do in NorCal I will vehemently protest in an agitated way. It may end up in my loss of life.

We need to crush this hate machine that Cheeto
Is inflicting on us.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever

Well, at least with your cellphone camera on, you will be spending less time trolling this forum.


Posts the guy who has been banned hundreds of times here, literally.
SBGold
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MAGA keeping score. They love the results so far.

Reprehensible
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Facts
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DiabloWags said:

How ironic that there are an estimated 450,000 northern Europeans that have overstayed their visa... and yet Trump isn't tracking them down and deporting them.

Might have something to do with their skin color?



All illegals gotta go
DiabloWags
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There are good cops out there.
I know a few.

But once you meet a "bad" cop you never forget it.
And it makes you wonder how some of these guys ever passed the psych test.

I did back in 1993 when I had just come back from my first tour of NYC and was pulled over by a Martinez police officer in downtown Martinez while driving my 1990 Porsche Carrera II. The guy had literally been "stalking" me over the course of several months because I was dating a young Italian gal that he was interested in.

At one point, he showed up at Acalanes High School one night around 8PM while I was jogging some laps around the track under the stadium lights. No one was there but me. He shows up and tells me to stay away from Alisa. Even goes on to tell me that her family is part of the Mob. I'm like, "Who the F is this guy?"

I wait for him to walk back to his car in the parking lot. He was driving one of those little 2-door Honda Preludes. I get his license plate number. The next day I send it to a guy who was a former LEO and he ran the plate for me for $25. This was back in the day before computers and leaving any digital footprints. The guy tells me his name and says that there was an interesting notation on his CDL. He tells me that he lives in Martinez and he's a cop.

A couple of months later, I'm on my way into downtown Martinez to go to the County Courthouse to look up some real estate records. He sees my car and pulls me over into the parking lot of Martinez PD. The dude jacks me out of my car and then proceeds to call all of his buddies out of the building to witness himself digging through my car. At one point, he sees an ivory tusk on the floor behind the driver's seat. He's getting all excited because he thinks that he's seen a gun handle. He then pulls the tusk out of the car and said, "What's this?"

I said, "That's an ivory tusk from my great grandfather who used to be a California State Senator."
"It's pretty heavy. Probably good for hitting someone with."

Dude has been ransacking my car for nearly 10 minutes and I'm standing there with my arms folded next to the Watch Seargeant. There's literally 6 officers standing there watching this "treasure" hunt. At this point, I turned to the Watch Seargeant and asked him if I was being arrested. You literally have to do this to call their bluff about being detained and undergoing a "treasure" hunt as your car gets tossed. I guess he had seen enough. He said, "No. You're free to go."

The next day I make a phone call to the Martinez Police Chief. I can't remember the guy's name but this was the guy right before Dave Cutaia (the Pac-10 referee) was Chief. I ask him about one of his cops by the name of Roger Ray. He tells me that from what he understands, there is a "personal beef" between us. I'm now thinking, how the F would he even know that? Do all of these guys hang out with each other at the local watering hole? A Chief with line staff?

I then proceed to tell him that I don't think that Internal Affairs would look kindly on Officer Ray's professionalism, or lack thereof . . . and his conduct unbecoming of a peace officer. I literally said those exact words. He then says, "What is it that you want?"

I tell him, "Look, I really don't need to be in Martinez. I will make you a deal. Tell Officer Ray to stop following me and I won't ever step foot in Martinez again."

He said, "Done".

8 years later Officer Ray shoots a suspect in the back while running away from him. Ray claimed he saw the Plaintiff reaching for a gun. The Plaintiff David Hutton filed a lawsuit against Ray and the Magistrate Judge James Larson found in favor of the Plaintiff in a 7-figure settlement because it was found that the reason that Officer Ray shot the man in the back, was because he was in such poor physical condition that he was incapable of pursuing the Plaintiff on foot.

In fact, just after the incident Ray had surgery and went on temporary disability from April 2001 to May 2002. he took disability retirement in May of 2002. The Plaintiff filed a suit in Contra Costa County Superior Court for violation of his civil rights under 42 U.S.C / 1983.

Interestingly enough, Lisa Poirier testified as the claims person handling Ray's worker compensation claim. We used to get together at Rocco's Pizza in Walnut Creek with a group of regulars from De La Salle and Northgate High Schools in the early 2000's.

The defendant tried keeping his medical records from becoming evidence due to a claim of privacy.
At the end of the day, this is what the Court said:

Legal Analysis

Plaintiff contends that Ray's records are relevant to the issue of whether Ray's back injury caused him to shoot Plaintiff, rather than run after him. Plaintiff contends that whether Ray was physically capable of performing his duties adequately and safely is relevant to whether Ray was trained to use less aggressive methods of force to subdue Plaintiff. See, e.g. Parker v. District of Columbia, 850 F.2d 708 (D.C. Cir. 1988). ("Given Officer Hayes' physical condition, it is not hard to fathom that his most effective method for subduing the objects of his pursuits would be the use of a firearm as opposed to the application of physical force. This condition posed a foreseeable risk of harm to others") Id. at 713. If Ray was unable to pursue Plaintiff on foot, due to his back injury, he may have decided to shoot him instead.

Plaintiff also contends the deposition testimony and documents are also relevant to whether the City of Martinez properly trained, supervised and retained Ray. ("We are persuaded that a fair-minded jury could have concluded that Officer Hayes' conduct was the result of deliberate indifference on the part of the District with respect to the physical training of its police officers.") Id. at 714.

Defendants distinguish the Parker case as dealing solely with inadequate training for an officer on how to physically restrain a subject. They contend that any disclosure should be limited to the day in question and Ray's condition at that time. They also assert Defendant's privacy rights in the documents and his personal medical information.

CCCMRMIA relies on the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act ("HIPAA") to justify withholding Ray's worker's compensation and medical files. CCCMRIMIA asserts its duty to protect Ray's privacy, since he objects to producing the records to Plaintiff, and it has no power to waive his privacy rights.

Conclusion and Order

The privacy interest in one's confidential medical records is conditional and a limited impairment of the right may be allowed if properly justified. Soto v. City of Concord, 162 F.R.D. 603, 618 (N.D.Cal. 1995) (calling for in camera review of records).

Assertions of privileges in federal question cases are governed by federal common law (Rule 501, Federal Rules of Evidence). The physician-patient privilege is not recognized by federal common law, federal statute, or the U.S. Constitution. Soto, Id. Where application of state law would be...

U.S. District Court

Hutton v. City of Martinez, No. C 02-1606 CRB (JL) E-FILING, Granting Docket # 65 (N.D. Cal. 10/27/2003) (Hutton v. City of Martinez, No. C 02-1606 CRB (JL) E-FILING, Granting Docket # 65 (N.D. Cal. 10/27/2003) (N.D. Cal. 2003)) - vLex United States







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