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BearlySane88
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearlySane88 said:

SBGold said:

I'm not following how that makes him a hypocrite by definition.

Definition of a hypocrite (the research shows):

A hypocrite is a person who pretends to have virtues, moral beliefs, or principles that they do not actually possess, often acting in direct contradiction to their stated beliefs. It involves feigning a persona to deceive others, commonly by criticizing behavior in others while engaging in it themselves


I feel like 88 has not shown anything of this in his responses to you

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN


If you don't call out the same actions on both sides, yes that's by definition being a hypocrite.

Thank you for your attention to this lesson

Maybe both sides aren't misbehaving to the same degree.


We are doing the same thing. It's either wrong on both sides and is called out on both sides or it's not wrong for either. If it's not called out on both sides, that's being hypocritical. Not sure how that's so confusing for some of yall
SBGold
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The definition is about your actions though, not about calling it out everywhere you see it.

What are the sides here anyway, aren't we all Cal people?

Hate shouldn't exist in your heart.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN
BearlySane88
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SBGold said:

The definition is about your actions though, not about calling it out everywhere you see it.

What are the sides here anyway, aren't we all Cal people?

Hate shouldn't exist in your heart.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN


I have no hate on my heart, for anyone. I'm not spouting off calls for political violence like those on the left are
movielover
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SBGold said:

The definition is about your actions though, not about calling it out everywhere you see it.

What are the sides here anyway, aren't we all Cal people?

Hate shouldn't exist in your heart.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN


What did slick Newsom excel at?
Muckieeye
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Wow! Look at all of those 7 and 6 star posts! There must be some really substantive information being discussed for so many "people" to be positively engaged. I see a few 5 stars earlier in the thread - it seems the star machine has more work to do.

Stars are important. Just ask all the "people" that star temu's storm of "I know you are, but what am I?" posts in this thread.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
-John Stewart Mill
BearlySane88
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Muckieeye said:

Wow! Look at all of those 7 and 6 star posts! There must be some really substantive information being discussed for so many "people" to be positively engaged. I see a few 5 stars earlier in the thread - it seems the star machine has more work to do.

Stars are important. Just ask all the "people" that star temu's storm of "I know you are, but what am I?" posts in this thread.


Nobody cares about stars except one side. Move it along.
Muckieeye
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That's an odd thing for someone who upvotes their own posts to say.

EDIT: I bet it still gets 7 stars.
EDIT2: Nailed it.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
-John Stewart Mill
BearlySane88
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Muckieeye said:

That's an odd thing for someone who upvotes their own posts to say.

EDIT: I bet it still gets 7 stars.


Projection?

Once again, nobody cares about stars.
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Deflection? If you don't care, why reply?
Oh - so you can have more posts to upvote. Very creative.
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
-John Stewart Mill
BearlySane88
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Muckieeye said:

Deflection? If you don't care, why reply?
Oh - so you can have more posts to upvote. Very creative.


Because nobody cares about stars and you posted the opposite on a public message board. Seems appropriate for someone to respond in this type of forum
SBGold
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movielover said:

SBGold said:

The definition is about your actions though, not about calling it out everywhere you see it.

What are the sides here anyway, aren't we all Cal people?

Hate shouldn't exist in your heart.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN


What did slick Newsom excel at?

I'm glad you asked Skippy, here's a rundown. Pay particular attention to the economy, healthcare and violence updates:

Climate & Environment California under Newsom has been leading the transition to zero-emission vehicles, requiring all new cars sold in the state to be zero-emission by 2035. California has also delivered over $1 billion to deploy more than 11,600 clean trucks and buses across 2,000+ fleets.

Economy California's economy grew 5% in 2025 to reach a record nominal GDP of $4.25 trillion, outperforming every other state and continuing a 16-year growth streak.

Healthcare Through Covered California, the state became the first in the nation to offer financial help for individual health insurance on top of federal support, including expanded premium assistance for middle-class individuals. California also became the first state to have its own generic drug label through the CalRx program.

Gun Safety California is ranked #1 in gun safety, with a gun death rate 40% lower than the national average.

Education Newsom made up to two years of community college tuition-free and worked to build more affordable student housing at UC, CSU, and community colleges.

Mental Health Newsom led a historic transformation of the state's behavioral health care system, putting it on the ballot for voters and investing nearly $1.5 billion to expand mental health and substance use disorder treatment and housing.

Housing He enacted what was described as the most extensive housing-and-permitting package in state history, streamlining environmental review to build more homes faster.

Homelessness Under Newsom, California recorded its first drop in statewide unsheltered homelessness in 15 years.

Fentanyl The California National Guard seized over 62,000 pounds of fentanyl in 2023, a 116% increase from 2022.

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I worry about residents of the red states, there government has been far less effective in governing and they are suffering bigly.

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN
movielover
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Despite spending $36 Billion, which he can't account for
(2019 - 2026), the total homeless population rose by 14% or more, to over 181,000 - 187,000 individuals as of early 2026.

California has consistently maintained the highest gasoline prices in the nation, driven by high taxes, environmental regulations, and periodic refinery issues that create supply shortages. While Newsom signed laws to curb price spikes, including potential profit caps, state oversight has been accused of failing to implement these tools, leading to continued price volatility, such as a sharp spike in early 2026.

Electricity bills have also risen significantly due to infrastructure costs and climate-related fees.

Fentanyl-related deaths in California rose significantly during Governor Gavin Newsom's term, with the synthetic opioid becoming the primary driver of a record-setting overdose crisis. Deaths soared between 2019 and 2023.

Only two homes have been rebuilt in Pacific Palisades.

Budgets: Califirnia's budgets swung wildly under Newsom, showing no adult planning, restraint, or focus to solve real ongoing issues (ex.: forest load, drug use, water storage).

We went from historic surpluses to record deficits. Following a nearly $100 billion surplus in 2022 due to overestimated revenues, a structural deficit emerged, resulting in four consecutive years of shortfalls, with a projected $18 billion to $45 billion deficit by early 2026.

Home construction: Despite a 2019 target for 3.5 million new units by 2025, California has only produced roughly 100,000 - 120,000 units annually, twenty percent of his own goal.

Undocumented immigrants health care: Spending between $8.5 billion and $9.5 billion on this healthcare expansion for undocumented immigrants, with some estimates citing up to $13.1 billion in the current budget, has blown a massive whole in the state budget.

Train to Nowhere: Over $15 billion wasted on the biggest White Elephant in history.
SBGold
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movielover said:

Despite spending $36 Billion, which he can't account for
(2019 - 2026), the total homeless population rose by 14% or more, to over 181,000 - 187,000 individuals as of early 2026.

California has consistently maintained the highest gasoline prices in the nation, driven by high taxes, environmental regulations, and periodic refinery issues that create supply shortages. While Newsom signed laws to curb price spikes, including potential profit caps, state oversight has been accused of failing to implement these tools, leading to continued price volatility, such as a sharp spike in early 2026.

Electricity bills have also risen significantly due to infrastructure costs and climate-related fees.

Fentanyl-related deaths in California rose significantly during Governor Gavin Newsom's term, with the synthetic opioid becoming the primary driver of a record-setting overdose crisis. Deaths soared between 2019 and 2023.

Only two homes have been rebuilt in Pacific Palisades.

Budgets: Califirnia's budgets swung wildly under Newsom, showing no adult planning, restraint, or focus to solve real ongoing issues (ex.: forest load, drug use, water storage).

We went from historic surpluses to record deficits. Following a nearly $100 billion surplus in 2022 due to overestimated revenues, a structural deficit emerged, resulting in four consecutive years of shortfalls, with a projected $18 billion to $45 billion deficit by early 2026.

Home construction: Despite a 2019 target for 3.5 million new units by 2025, California has only produced roughly 100,000 - 120,000 units annually, twenty percent of his own goal.

Undocumented immigrants health care: Spending between $8.5 billion and $9.5 billion on this healthcare expansion for undocumented immigrants, with some estimates citing up to $13.1 billion in the current budget, has blown a massive whole in the state budget.

Train to Nowhere: Over $15 billion wasted on the biggest White Elephant in history.

Your AI hallucinated, sorry.

Choose Kindness
movielover
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Facts matter, not empty PR spin.
SBGold
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All of what I posted was 100% accurate and you know. The economic engine, the healthcare investment, the support for students, the gun control violence numbers, you can't discount any of those things.

Trump doesn't have any of those victories. He's spiraling in moral decay and we are a laughingstock now

VOTE BLUE and VOTE GAVIN
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DiabloWags said:

Nope, I didn't miss a thing.
Have a nice day.

hiya. there's a rumor you were gifted a timeout?
that's weird. anyways, many happy returns.
signed, rarely has anything to say
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SBGold
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smh said:

DiabloWags said:

Nope, I didn't miss a thing.
Have a nice day.

hiya. there's a rumor you were gifted a timeout?
that's weird. anyways, many happy returns.
signed, rarely has anything to say

It's only safe here if you are a right-winger

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN
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BearlySane88
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SBGold said:

smh said:

DiabloWags said:

Nope, I didn't miss a thing.
Have a nice day.

hiya. there's a rumor you were gifted a timeout?
that's weird. anyways, many happy returns.
signed, rarely has anything to say

It's only safe here if you are a right-winger

VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN


You gotta get over this. Nobody is given a TO based on what political side they are on
Eastern Oregon Bear
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Inflation spiked up 25% in March. The PCE price index was 2.8% in February and climbed to 3.5% in March. That was after a 17% rise in February. The Fed's target is 2%.

https://thehill.com/business/5856788-march-inflation-rate-spikes/
movielover
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CapEx reportedly booming, AI and warehouses.

Dallas Forth Worth - 29 million SF under construction.

Google: "Pharmaceutical reshoring in the USA is accelerating, driven by geopolitical risks and federal efforts to secure supply chains, with over $480 billion in investments pledged by companies like Eli Lilly (investing $27B) and AstraZeneca. Key focus areas include domestic production of active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), sterile injectables, and biologics, with major projects in states like Georgia and Puerto Rico."

Record oil sales: "In April 2026, U.S. crude oil exports were reported to have hit a new record of 6.44 million barrels per day for the week ending April 24."

2024: 4.1 m/bpd
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movielover said:

CapEx reportedly booming, AI and warehouses.

Dallas Forth Worth - 29 million SF under construction.

Google: "Pharmaceutical reshoring in the USA is accelerating, driven by geopolitical risks and federal efforts to secure supply chains, with over $480 billion in investments pledged by companies like Eli Lilly (investing $27B) and AstraZeneca. Key focus areas include domestic production of active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), sterile injectables, and biologics, with major projects in states like Georgia and Puerto Rico."

Record oil sales: "In April 2026, U.S. crude oil exports were reported to have hit a new record of 6.44 million barrels per day for the week ending April 24."

2024: 4.1 m/bpd

THE REAL ECONOMIC PICTURE THOUGH:

Consumer Sentiment: Historic Low
The University of Michigan's final April consumer sentiment reading came in at 49.8 the lowest level ever recorded in data going back to 1952. Sentiment declined across all demographics, regardless of political affiliation, income, age, or education. CNNTRADING ECONOMICS

Tariff Costs Falling on Households
The Tax Policy Center estimates Trump's tariffs will represent an average $2,100 burden per household in 2026. The Yale Budget Lab found the tariff burden falls three times harder on families in the bottom income decile than on those at the top making it a deeply regressive tax. Businesses that previously absorbed most tariff costs are now passing them on to consumers. RBC Wealth Management101 Financial

Housing Affordability Collapsing
The average age of the first-time homebuyer hit 40 in 2025 a stark contrast from even ten years ago, when people could afford a 30-year mortgage in their early 30s. Yale Budget Lab research estimates that deficit-driven increases in interest rates have raised borrowing costs by about $2,500 per year roughly $76,000 over the life of a loan for a family taking out a 30-year mortgage at today's median home price. FortuneThe Budget Lab at Yale

Deficits & Debt: Historically Dangerous
The CBO projects that factoring in the "One Big Beautiful Bill" tax cuts, higher tariffs, and the immigration crackdown, total deficits from 2026 to 2035 are $1.4 trillion larger than previously projected, with debt held by the public rising from 101% of GDP to 120% exceeding all historical highs. The deficit is 5.8% of GDP in 2026, growing to 6.7% by 2036 well above the 3.8% average of the last 50 years. Net interest payments alone are projected to rise from 14% to 19% of all federal spending by 2036. PBSWells Fargo Advisors

Consumer Debt at Record Levels
Total U.S. credit card debt has surpassed $1.3 trillion the highest ever recorded with roughly 50% of Americans carrying revolving balances month to month, at an average credit card interest rate of 23.7%. 101 Financial

Inflation Expectations Surging
Year-ahead inflation expectations jumped to 4.8% in April a full percentage point rise from March, the largest one-month increase since April 2025 when the "Liberation Day" tariff announcement was made. CNBC

Labor Market: Weakest Since 2020
Job growth in 2025 was the weakest since 2020. The U.S. is in a low-hire, low-fire labor market workers enjoy strong job security, but the hiring rate is very low, making life difficult for job seekers, particularly younger workers and entry-level applicants. The National Desk

The Broader Critique
Moody's chief economist Mark Zandi has noted that the economy is essentially only growing because of consumer spending by the wealthy and massive data-center investment from big tech hyperscalers while most Americans remain on the sidelines and have effectively been experiencing a recession. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has called the tax cuts a "sugar high," and the Bipartisan Policy Center has called large deficits "unprecedented for a growing, peacetime economy." FortuneAl Jazeera

The honest picture is a two-track economy: strong at the top (AI investment, corporate profits, asset prices) and under real strain at the bottom (affordability, sentiment, debt, hiring). That tension is the central economic story of 2026.
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SBGold said:

movielover said:

CapEx reportedly booming, AI and warehouses.

Dallas Forth Worth - 29 million SF under construction.

Google: "Pharmaceutical reshoring in the USA is accelerating, driven by geopolitical risks and federal efforts to secure supply chains, with over $480 billion in investments pledged by companies like Eli Lilly (investing $27B) and AstraZeneca. Key focus areas include domestic production of active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), sterile injectables, and biologics, with major projects in states like Georgia and Puerto Rico."

Record oil sales: "In April 2026, U.S. crude oil exports were reported to have hit a new record of 6.44 million barrels per day for the week ending April 24."

2024: 4.1 m/bpd

THE REAL ECONOMIC PICTURE THOUGH:

Consumer Sentiment: Historic Low
The University of Michigan's final April consumer sentiment reading came in at 49.8 the lowest level ever recorded in data going back to 1952. Sentiment declined across all demographics, regardless of political affiliation, income, age, or education. CNNTRADING ECONOMICS

Tariff Costs Falling on Households
The Tax Policy Center estimates Trump's tariffs will represent an average $2,100 burden per household in 2026. The Yale Budget Lab found the tariff burden falls three times harder on families in the bottom income decile than on those at the top making it a deeply regressive tax. Businesses that previously absorbed most tariff costs are now passing them on to consumers. RBC Wealth Management101 Financial

Housing Affordability Collapsing
The average age of the first-time homebuyer hit 40 in 2025 a stark contrast from even ten years ago, when people could afford a 30-year mortgage in their early 30s. Yale Budget Lab research estimates that deficit-driven increases in interest rates have raised borrowing costs by about $2,500 per year roughly $76,000 over the life of a loan for a family taking out a 30-year mortgage at today's median home price. FortuneThe Budget Lab at Yale

Deficits & Debt: Historically Dangerous
The CBO projects that factoring in the "One Big Beautiful Bill" tax cuts, higher tariffs, and the immigration crackdown, total deficits from 2026 to 2035 are $1.4 trillion larger than previously projected, with debt held by the public rising from 101% of GDP to 120% exceeding all historical highs. The deficit is 5.8% of GDP in 2026, growing to 6.7% by 2036 well above the 3.8% average of the last 50 years. Net interest payments alone are projected to rise from 14% to 19% of all federal spending by 2036. PBSWells Fargo Advisors

Consumer Debt at Record Levels
Total U.S. credit card debt has surpassed $1.3 trillion the highest ever recorded with roughly 50% of Americans carrying revolving balances month to month, at an average credit card interest rate of 23.7%. 101 Financial

Inflation Expectations Surging
Year-ahead inflation expectations jumped to 4.8% in April a full percentage point rise from March, the largest one-month increase since April 2025 when the "Liberation Day" tariff announcement was made. CNBC

Labor Market: Weakest Since 2020
Job growth in 2025 was the weakest since 2020. The U.S. is in a low-hire, low-fire labor market workers enjoy strong job security, but the hiring rate is very low, making life difficult for job seekers, particularly younger workers and entry-level applicants. The National Desk

The Broader Critique
Moody's chief economist Mark Zandi has noted that the economy is essentially only growing because of consumer spending by the wealthy and massive data-center investment from big tech hyperscalers while most Americans remain on the sidelines and have effectively been experiencing a recession. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has called the tax cuts a "sugar high," and the Bipartisan Policy Center has called large deficits "unprecedented for a growing, peacetime economy." FortuneAl Jazeera

The honest picture is a two-track economy: strong at the top (AI investment, corporate profits, asset prices) and under real strain at the bottom (affordability, sentiment, debt, hiring). That tension is the central economic story of 2026.

Wow, you actually are capable of a factual honest post.
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Aunburdened said:

SBGold said:

movielover said:

CapEx reportedly booming, AI and warehouses.

Dallas Forth Worth - 29 million SF under construction.

Google: "Pharmaceutical reshoring in the USA is accelerating, driven by geopolitical risks and federal efforts to secure supply chains, with over $480 billion in investments pledged by companies like Eli Lilly (investing $27B) and AstraZeneca. Key focus areas include domestic production of active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), sterile injectables, and biologics, with major projects in states like Georgia and Puerto Rico."

Record oil sales: "In April 2026, U.S. crude oil exports were reported to have hit a new record of 6.44 million barrels per day for the week ending April 24."

2024: 4.1 m/bpd

THE REAL ECONOMIC PICTURE THOUGH:

Consumer Sentiment: Historic Low
The University of Michigan's final April consumer sentiment reading came in at 49.8 the lowest level ever recorded in data going back to 1952. Sentiment declined across all demographics, regardless of political affiliation, income, age, or education. CNNTRADING ECONOMICS

Tariff Costs Falling on Households
The Tax Policy Center estimates Trump's tariffs will represent an average $2,100 burden per household in 2026. The Yale Budget Lab found the tariff burden falls three times harder on families in the bottom income decile than on those at the top making it a deeply regressive tax. Businesses that previously absorbed most tariff costs are now passing them on to consumers. RBC Wealth Management101 Financial

Housing Affordability Collapsing
The average age of the first-time homebuyer hit 40 in 2025 a stark contrast from even ten years ago, when people could afford a 30-year mortgage in their early 30s. Yale Budget Lab research estimates that deficit-driven increases in interest rates have raised borrowing costs by about $2,500 per year roughly $76,000 over the life of a loan for a family taking out a 30-year mortgage at today's median home price. FortuneThe Budget Lab at Yale

Deficits & Debt: Historically Dangerous
The CBO projects that factoring in the "One Big Beautiful Bill" tax cuts, higher tariffs, and the immigration crackdown, total deficits from 2026 to 2035 are $1.4 trillion larger than previously projected, with debt held by the public rising from 101% of GDP to 120% exceeding all historical highs. The deficit is 5.8% of GDP in 2026, growing to 6.7% by 2036 well above the 3.8% average of the last 50 years. Net interest payments alone are projected to rise from 14% to 19% of all federal spending by 2036. PBSWells Fargo Advisors

Consumer Debt at Record Levels
Total U.S. credit card debt has surpassed $1.3 trillion the highest ever recorded with roughly 50% of Americans carrying revolving balances month to month, at an average credit card interest rate of 23.7%. 101 Financial

Inflation Expectations Surging
Year-ahead inflation expectations jumped to 4.8% in April a full percentage point rise from March, the largest one-month increase since April 2025 when the "Liberation Day" tariff announcement was made. CNBC

Labor Market: Weakest Since 2020
Job growth in 2025 was the weakest since 2020. The U.S. is in a low-hire, low-fire labor market workers enjoy strong job security, but the hiring rate is very low, making life difficult for job seekers, particularly younger workers and entry-level applicants. The National Desk

The Broader Critique
Moody's chief economist Mark Zandi has noted that the economy is essentially only growing because of consumer spending by the wealthy and massive data-center investment from big tech hyperscalers while most Americans remain on the sidelines and have effectively been experiencing a recession. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has called the tax cuts a "sugar high," and the Bipartisan Policy Center has called large deficits "unprecedented for a growing, peacetime economy." FortuneAl Jazeera

The honest picture is a two-track economy: strong at the top (AI investment, corporate profits, asset prices) and under real strain at the bottom (affordability, sentiment, debt, hiring). That tension is the central economic story of 2026.

Wow, you actually are capable of a factual honest post.

The tide is turning bruh
movielover
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Which was exacerbated by the Plandemic, gluttonous spending, 20% inflation, and 10 - 20 million new illegal immigrants.
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movielover said:

Which was exacerbated by the Plandemic, gluttonous spending, 20% inflation, and 10 - 20 million new illegal immigrants.

All problems that horrid state brought upon itself.

My post stands and does not try obfuscate the failures.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.
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Too many Americans are feeling left behind.

movielover
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New reports out.

GDP = 2.0% GDP growth

https://bea.gov/sites/default/files/2026-04/gdp1q26-adv.pdf

GDP was hemmed in by a large increase in imported goods that are deductions to the equation. The increase of 25.8% more than the Q4 of 2025 was massive capital expenditures on tools and equipment for the ongoing manufacturing boom. (The 25.8% increase in imports created a net deduction from GDP (-1.30%).)

The Dept of Labor weekly report on unemployment claims showed U.S. jobless claims have dropped to their lowest level in more than 50 years. Initial applications for unemployment benefits fell by 26,000 to 189,000 for the week ending Friday (April 25), far below the 214,000 new claims analysts had expected. This marks the lowest number of new filings since September 1969.

The trend appears to be halted illegal migration and ongoing deportation operations are driving up wages and bringing people off the sidelines for work.

https://abcnews.com/Business/wireStory/us-jobless-aid-filings-fall-189000-week-despite-132530356

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A lot of bad news for the U.S. economy. By the way, DOGE was just another of Trump's con jobs.

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chazzed said:

A lot of bad news for the U.S. economy. By the way, DOGE was just another of Trump's con jobs.



Truth, not obfuscation


VOTE BLUE AND VOTE GAVIN
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chazzed said:

Too many Americans are feeling left behind.



Too bad you didn't have the balls to post this before November 5, 2024
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Aunburdened said:

chazzed said:

Too many Americans are feeling left behind.



Too bad you didn't have the balls to post this before November 5, 2024

Could be missing something, but it seems to me that the number is higher now than it was then.
movielover
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VallejoWags was pushing 1.2% AtlantaFed GDP figure, 2.0% a big jump.
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