Post-ABC poll finds 77% of Americans support the decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Afghanistan, including 88% of Democrats, 74% of Republicans and 76% of independents. But widespread support falls apart when it comes to how the departure unfolded https://t.co/8RvRDhZXDw pic.twitter.com/Ob65Xwi8RP
— Post Polls (@PostPolls) September 3, 2021
BREAKING: Milley just now acknowledges reporting that on Nov 11 he received an unclassified signed order from Trump directly the military to withdraw from Afghanistan by Jan. 15.
— Lara Seligman (@laraseligman) September 28, 2021
"After further discussions... the order was rescinded."
Biden has been President for 9 months (I think, although appears as a cardboard cutout at Memorial). When will he own up to his multitude of mistakes---border disaster, drone attack, giving up Bagram, evacuation of Afghanistan, Covid maladies----but mostly the secretive, in the basement, type Presidency he has (notice not "runs"). This is a disaster folks, as was Trump's Presidency in very a different fashion. Two jerk waters don't make one right. Tell it like it is. Transparency.Unit2Sucks said:
In case anyone really believed Trump would have come up with some great withdrawal plan lolBREAKING: Milley just now acknowledges reporting that on Nov 11 he received an unclassified signed order from Trump directly the military to withdraw from Afghanistan by Jan. 15.
— Lara Seligman (@laraseligman) September 28, 2021
"After further discussions... the order was rescinded."
Biden is doing better on every single account than his opponent did during his first term and would have done during his second term. Is it possible some other democrat could be even better than Biden? Sure, I would concede that. But let's not pretend like any of the criticism you are levelling would be any sort of decision maker for anyone. You still would prefer to have a republican in power who would do worse than Biden on every single count.OdontoBear66 said:Biden has been President for 9 months (I think, although appears as a cardboard cutout at Memorial). When will he own up to his multitude of mistakes---border disaster, drone attack, giving up Bagram, evacuation of Afghanistan, Covid maladies----but mostly the secretive, in the basement, type Presidency he has (notice not "runs"). This is a disaster folks, as was Trump's Presidency in very a different fashion. Two jerk waters don't make one right. Tell it like it is. Transparency.Unit2Sucks said:
In case anyone really believed Trump would have come up with some great withdrawal plan lolBREAKING: Milley just now acknowledges reporting that on Nov 11 he received an unclassified signed order from Trump directly the military to withdraw from Afghanistan by Jan. 15.
— Lara Seligman (@laraseligman) September 28, 2021
"After further discussions... the order was rescinded."
Transparency with this admin---Zerodajo9 said:
The only disaster is that conservatives like Manchin and Sinema have so much power to stop the will of the people.
Covid-19 - improved since Trump
Afghanistan - improved since Trump
The Border - continues to be a problem
How do you think the transparency compares with any of the last three administrations (Trump. Obama, Bush)? Is this an issue specific to Biden?OdontoBear66 said:Transparency with this admin---Zerodajo9 said:
The only disaster is that conservatives like Manchin and Sinema have so much power to stop the will of the people.
Covid-19 - improved since Trump
Afghanistan - improved since Trump
The Border - continues to be a problem
Trump was so transparent that his increasing narcissistic, loud mouth behavior helped clear him from office. Obama, for a politician, was fairly transparent. They have to keep some stuff from us. Bush I liked as a person, not as a President, especially with the Iraq War. In that regard, very not transparent.sycasey said:How do you think the transparency compares with any of the last three administrations (Trump. Obama, Bush)? Is this an issue specific to Biden?OdontoBear66 said:Transparency with this admin---Zerodajo9 said:
The only disaster is that conservatives like Manchin and Sinema have so much power to stop the will of the people.
Covid-19 - improved since Trump
Afghanistan - improved since Trump
The Border - continues to be a problem
I would argue no.
I don't think Trump was deliberately transparent. He was just incompetent so everything leaked out anyway.OdontoBear66 said:Trump was so transparent that his increasing narcissistic, loud mouth behavior helped clear him from office. Obama, for a politician, was fairly transparent. They have to keep some stuff from us. Bush I liked as a person, not as a President, especially with the Iraq War. In that regard, very not transparent.sycasey said:How do you think the transparency compares with any of the last three administrations (Trump. Obama, Bush)? Is this an issue specific to Biden?OdontoBear66 said:Transparency with this admin---Zerodajo9 said:
The only disaster is that conservatives like Manchin and Sinema have so much power to stop the will of the people.
Covid-19 - improved since Trump
Afghanistan - improved since Trump
The Border - continues to be a problem
I would argue no.
I find Manchin an upfront fella.
I am not even sure if Joe is calling the shots. The others, yes. Presidency by committee, I suspect, but don't know.
On August 19th…
— Chad Gilmartin (@ChadGilmartinCA) September 28, 2021
ABC NEWS: “But your top military advisors warned against withdrawing on this timeline. They wanted you to keep about 2,500 troops.”
BIDEN: “No, they didn’t. It was split. Tha-- that wasn’t true. That wasn’t true.”
WATCH ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/VxIEEJLvR9
Gen. McKenzie: "I recommended we keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan." Gen. Milley later said same thing.
— Lucas Tomlinson (@LucasFoxNews) September 28, 2021
Defense Secretary Austin later told Sen. Cotton this "input was received by the president."
President Biden told ABC last month: “No one said that to me that I can recall.”
On August 19th, Biden said it “wasn’t true” that top military advisers recommended we keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.@CENTCOM Gen. McKenzie, just now under oath: “I recommended we keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.” ⬇️⬇️ https://t.co/F9XPPUSF0k pic.twitter.com/DQ2LJjUxC6
— Chad Gilmartin (@ChadGilmartinCA) September 28, 2021
Well, when you flap lip such that duct tape won't hold, some transparency has to come out. A whole lot with him.sycasey said:I don't think Trump was deliberately transparent. He was just incompetent so everything leaked out anyway.OdontoBear66 said:Trump was so transparent that his increasing narcissistic, loud mouth behavior helped clear him from office. Obama, for a politician, was fairly transparent. They have to keep some stuff from us. Bush I liked as a person, not as a President, especially with the Iraq War. In that regard, very not transparent.sycasey said:How do you think the transparency compares with any of the last three administrations (Trump. Obama, Bush)? Is this an issue specific to Biden?OdontoBear66 said:Transparency with this admin---Zerodajo9 said:
The only disaster is that conservatives like Manchin and Sinema have so much power to stop the will of the people.
Covid-19 - improved since Trump
Afghanistan - improved since Trump
The Border - continues to be a problem
I would argue no.
I find Manchin an upfront fella.
I am not even sure if Joe is calling the shots. The others, yes. Presidency by committee, I suspect, but don't know.
Almost all transparency and accountability improvements for US counterterrorism actions - introduced by Obama since 2013 - have now been rolled back by Trump. Annual reporting on civilian harm from @CIA strikes, for example, was scrapped in 2019. pic.twitter.com/Jo0L1so058
— Airwars (@airwars) October 28, 2020
OdontoBear66 said:
Boy, I just checked in here on Off Topic a day or so ago, and you boys are still focused on Trump
Nine months in it is time to take stock of the Biden (maybe not his, lacks control), but you still want to play with Trump. The Obama back room advisement team of Rice, etc. id having its own problems. With you boys just loving transparency it's time to talk about the Del Rio disaster, the Bagram call, the Covid swings with politics, not science anymore, and on and on. Don't let me overlook Nancy's Triple Trillion Infra Folly. Things are happening and you are stuck on Trump. Usually you accuse the opposition of being fossilized.
Better go back for a snooze in my Bear cave if nothing has changed. Objectivity negative.
Quite the man of forensics. Reminiscent of Buckley. No substance, back to the cave.dajo9 said:OdontoBear66 said:
Boy, I just checked in here on Off Topic a day or so ago, and you boys are still focused on Trump
Nine months in it is time to take stock of the Biden (maybe not his, lacks control), but you still want to play with Trump. The Obama back room advisement team of Rice, etc. id having its own problems. With you boys just loving transparency it's time to talk about the Del Rio disaster, the Bagram call, the Covid swings with politics, not science anymore, and on and on. Don't let me overlook Nancy's Triple Trillion Infra Folly. Things are happening and you are stuck on Trump. Usually you accuse the opposition of being fossilized.
Better go back for a snooze in my Bear cave if nothing has changed. Objectivity negative.
The first word in your previous post was "Trump". In any case, the real problem is the Pentagon's $7.5 trillion budget, not the $3.5 trillion infrastructure plan.
dajo9 said:OdontoBear66 said:
Boy, I just checked in here on Off Topic a day or so ago, and you boys are still focused on Trump
Nine months in it is time to take stock of the Biden (maybe not his, lacks control), but you still want to play with Trump. The Obama back room advisement team of Rice, etc. id having its own problems. With you boys just loving transparency it's time to talk about the Del Rio disaster, the Bagram call, the Covid swings with politics, not science anymore, and on and on. Don't let me overlook Nancy's Triple Trillion Infra Folly. Things are happening and you are stuck on Trump. Usually you accuse the opposition of being fossilized.
Better go back for a snooze in my Bear cave if nothing has changed. Objectivity negative.
The first word in your previous post was "Trump". In any case, the real problem is the Pentagon's $7.5 trillion budget, not the $3.5 trillion infrastructure plan.
The mandatory spending is basically social security and medicare. What do you want to cut?concordtom said:dajo9 said:OdontoBear66 said:
Boy, I just checked in here on Off Topic a day or so ago, and you boys are still focused on Trump
Nine months in it is time to take stock of the Biden (maybe not his, lacks control), but you still want to play with Trump. The Obama back room advisement team of Rice, etc. id having its own problems. With you boys just loving transparency it's time to talk about the Del Rio disaster, the Bagram call, the Covid swings with politics, not science anymore, and on and on. Don't let me overlook Nancy's Triple Trillion Infra Folly. Things are happening and you are stuck on Trump. Usually you accuse the opposition of being fossilized.
Better go back for a snooze in my Bear cave if nothing has changed. Objectivity negative.
The first word in your previous post was "Trump". In any case, the real problem is the Pentagon's $7.5 trillion budget, not the $3.5 trillion infrastructure plan.
7.5 and 3.5 over how many years?
The last time I looked we took in 3 in tax rev and spent 4 of stuff:
Odonto has a sad because nobody wants to engage in his mountains-out-of-molehills criticisms of Biden.OdontoBear66 said:Quite the man of forensics. Reminiscent of Buckley. No substance, back to the cave.dajo9 said:OdontoBear66 said:
Boy, I just checked in here on Off Topic a day or so ago, and you boys are still focused on Trump
Nine months in it is time to take stock of the Biden (maybe not his, lacks control), but you still want to play with Trump. The Obama back room advisement team of Rice, etc. id having its own problems. With you boys just loving transparency it's time to talk about the Del Rio disaster, the Bagram call, the Covid swings with politics, not science anymore, and on and on. Don't let me overlook Nancy's Triple Trillion Infra Folly. Things are happening and you are stuck on Trump. Usually you accuse the opposition of being fossilized.
Better go back for a snooze in my Bear cave if nothing has changed. Objectivity negative.
The first word in your previous post was "Trump". In any case, the real problem is the Pentagon's $7.5 trillion budget, not the $3.5 trillion infrastructure plan.
ICYMI: Only 21% of voters believe President Biden was truthful https://t.co/b7xT3XAbDJ
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 4, 2021
Joe Biden’s decision freed the terrorist that took part in killing 13 U.S. service members.
— Tommy Pigott (@TommyPigott) October 6, 2021
CNN is now reporting that the terrorist suicide bomber that attacked Kabul airport was released from Bagram by the Taliban after they seized the air base.https://t.co/FhUcqzp9mm
BearForce2 said:Joe Biden’s decision freed the terrorist that took part in killing 13 U.S. service members.
— Tommy Pigott (@TommyPigott) October 6, 2021
CNN is now reporting that the terrorist suicide bomber that attacked Kabul airport was released from Bagram by the Taliban after they seized the air base.https://t.co/FhUcqzp9mm
Release the prisoners after leaving, duh.
dajo9 said:
Trump released, what? 5,000 Taliban. Righties silent on that.
Biden ended the war Trump talked about ending.
"President Biden has signed an order authorizing the military to once again deploy hundreds of Special Ops forces inside Somalia — largely reversing the decision by President Trump to withdraw nearly all 700 ground troops who had been stationed there."https://t.co/qViadHtyVq
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 16, 2022
oski003 said:
What did the Taliban agree to in the deal cut at Camp David? What were the terms of the deal? Was it to hand the country and government to th Taliban? Was it renegotiated by Biden to do so? If so, why Biden's tough talk about the trained Afghani army protecting democracy?
Unit2Sucks said:
I love that the same people who ignored or defended every single boneheaded foreign policy blunder by 45 have all of the sudden adopted a zero tolerance policy that no POTUS could ever achieve.
I'm sure the White House is super concerned with the partisan opinions of people who applauded (I) Trump's embarrassing appearances at G-7/8/etc events where peer leaders mocked him, (ii) Trump's secretive closed door meetings with Putin, (iii) Trump discussing sensitive info with Abe in front of guests at Mar a Grifto, (iv) Trump sharing sensitive intel info, (v) Trump'a bizarre loser love affair with Kim and other dictators, (vi) inviting the Taliban to Camp David and signing a horrible deal that gave the Taliban everything they wanted in exchange for exactly nothing for the US and (vii) everything else he meddled with and muddled up in foreign affairs.
dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
I love that the same people who ignored or defended every single boneheaded foreign policy blunder by 45 have all of the sudden adopted a zero tolerance policy that no POTUS could ever achieve.
I'm sure the White House is super concerned with the partisan opinions of people who applauded (I) Trump's embarrassing appearances at G-7/8/etc events where peer leaders mocked him, (ii) Trump's secretive closed door meetings with Putin, (iii) Trump discussing sensitive info with Abe in front of guests at Mar a Grifto, (iv) Trump sharing sensitive intel info, (v) Trump'a bizarre loser love affair with Kim and other dictators, (vi) inviting the Taliban to Camp David and signing a horrible deal that gave the Taliban everything they wanted in exchange for exactly nothing for the US and (vii) everything else he meddled with and muddled up in foreign affairs.
It's too bad Unit2Sucks isn't here to add Trump's Iran War of choice to his list. I'm glad we had President Biden to get us out of war instead of getting us into new wars.
In 2025, Hillary 'I-will-bomb-Iran-if-I-win' Clinton praised Trump's foreign policy agenda.
— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) March 11, 2026
I bet she is ecstatic now. pic.twitter.com/VnesNCT1vX
Cal88 said:dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
I love that the same people who ignored or defended every single boneheaded foreign policy blunder by 45 have all of the sudden adopted a zero tolerance policy that no POTUS could ever achieve.
I'm sure the White House is super concerned with the partisan opinions of people who applauded (I) Trump's embarrassing appearances at G-7/8/etc events where peer leaders mocked him, (ii) Trump's secretive closed door meetings with Putin, (iii) Trump discussing sensitive info with Abe in front of guests at Mar a Grifto, (iv) Trump sharing sensitive intel info, (v) Trump'a bizarre loser love affair with Kim and other dictators, (vi) inviting the Taliban to Camp David and signing a horrible deal that gave the Taliban everything they wanted in exchange for exactly nothing for the US and (vii) everything else he meddled with and muddled up in foreign affairs.
It's too bad Unit2Sucks isn't here to add Trump's Iran War of choice to his list. I'm glad we had President Biden to get us out of war instead of getting us into new wars.
He was heavily pro-genocide on Gaza, and probably supports this war too like a proper neocon does.
In 2025, Hillary 'I-will-bomb-Iran-if-I-win' Clinton praised Trump's foreign policy agenda.
— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) March 11, 2026
I bet she is ecstatic now. pic.twitter.com/VnesNCT1vX
dajo9 said:Cal88 said:dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:
I love that the same people who ignored or defended every single boneheaded foreign policy blunder by 45 have all of the sudden adopted a zero tolerance policy that no POTUS could ever achieve.
I'm sure the White House is super concerned with the partisan opinions of people who applauded (I) Trump's embarrassing appearances at G-7/8/etc events where peer leaders mocked him, (ii) Trump's secretive closed door meetings with Putin, (iii) Trump discussing sensitive info with Abe in front of guests at Mar a Grifto, (iv) Trump sharing sensitive intel info, (v) Trump'a bizarre loser love affair with Kim and other dictators, (vi) inviting the Taliban to Camp David and signing a horrible deal that gave the Taliban everything they wanted in exchange for exactly nothing for the US and (vii) everything else he meddled with and muddled up in foreign affairs.
It's too bad Unit2Sucks isn't here to add Trump's Iran War of choice to his list. I'm glad we had President Biden to get us out of war instead of getting us into new wars.
He was heavily pro-genocide on Gaza, and probably supports this war too like a proper neocon does.
In 2025, Hillary 'I-will-bomb-Iran-if-I-win' Clinton praised Trump's foreign policy agenda.
— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) March 11, 2026
I bet she is ecstatic now. pic.twitter.com/VnesNCT1vX
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