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12:49p, 8/26/21
This was another heinous ISIS terror attack. It's extremely unfortunate that we got caught in an attack by a common enemy of the Taliban and for which we had intelligence and knew it was coming! Condolences to the families of the service members lost in these awful bombings.

Hopefully these are the last of the American citizens that give their lives to this 20-year long-since-pointless war. Just a crappy epilogue to a messy withdrawal that was long overdue but which no one wanted to do. Americans long ago became desensitized to news from Afghanistan following the thousands of senseless US casualties there but hopefully this will strengthen the resolve of people not to get involved in messy and prolonged foreign conflicts.

On a related point, my understanding is that although the Biden administration is claiming ~100k have been evacuated, there were only 4,500 US citizens to begin with and there are 1,500 left. If that's the case, I hope everyone who wants to get out is able to, but that we shouldn't be interested in extending our operations beyond 8/31 or risking anyone else to acts of terror.


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The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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This wasn't an intelligence or military failure it was a failure from politicians in Washington DC. The airport situation presented itself as a target rich, high profile environment that terrorists seem to like.
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3:53a, 8/27/21
I can already hear the Republicans in the future.

"The military did a great job evacuating over 100,000 people from Kabul. The 13 dead soldiers, that was Biden."
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:55a, 8/27/21
dajo9 said:
I can already hear the Republicans in the future.

"The military did a great job evacuating over 100,000 people from Kabul. The 13 dead soldiers, that was Biden."


Nah, Democrats in the present are criticizing Biden.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 12:15p, 8/27/21
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This was another heinous ISIS terror attack. It's extremely unfortunate that we got caught in an attack by a common enemy of the Taliban and for which we had intelligence and knew it was coming! Condolences to the families of the service members lost in these awful bombings.

Hopefully these are the last of the American citizens that give their lives to this 20-year long-since-pointless war. Just a crappy epilogue to a messy withdrawal that was long overdue but which no one wanted to do. Americans long ago became desensitized to news from Afghanistan following the thousands of senseless US casualties there but hopefully this will strengthen the resolve of people not to get involved in messy and prolonged foreign conflicts.

On a related point, my understanding is that although the Biden administration is claiming ~100k have been evacuated, there were only 4,500 US citizens to begin with and there are 1,500 left. If that's the case, I hope everyone who wants to get out is able to, but that we shouldn't be interested in extending our operations beyond 8/31 or risking anyone else to acts of terror.


https://spectatorworld.com/topic/cost-tragedy-kabul-airport/
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The Pentagon is denying this.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 3:01p, 8/30/21
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Dumb f$ck should resign along with the heads of intelligence but if there is one lesson learned from all these fiascos it is nobody is ever held responsible

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In reply to BearForce2 • 5:07p, 8/30/21
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Anarchistbear said:



Dumb f$ck should resign along with the heads of intelligence but if there is one lesson learned from all these fiascos it is nobody is ever held responsible



They should resign but these Generals are most likely equally culpable. Another ludicrous part of the Trump era were liberals regarding people like McMasters, Mattis, etc as the only adults in the room when they just represent an entrenched bipartisan establishment in a revolving door between government, military contractors and both parties- all of whom are motivated primarily by the ATM machine which is defense spending.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 5:24p, 8/30/21
Anarchistbear said:
BearForce2 said:
Anarchistbear said:



Dumb f$ck should resign along with the heads of intelligence but if there is one lesson learned from all these fiascos it is nobody is ever held responsible



They should resign but these Generals are most likely equally culpable. Another ludicrous part of the Trump era were liberals regarding people like McMasters, Mattis, etc as the only adults in the room when they just represent an entrenched bipartisan establishment in a revolving door between government, military contractors and both parties- all of whom are motivated primarily by the ATM machine which is defense spending.


Which liberals?
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5:54p, 8/30/21


The timing isn't a coincidence.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to BearForce2 • 5:58p, 8/30/21
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The timing isn't a coincidence.
....like your timing...
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In reply to okaydo • 6:09p, 8/30/21
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.
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In reply to OdontoBear66 • 6:28p, 8/30/21
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.

You not knowing the proper term for Afghans reveals how ignorant you are about the Afghanistan War after 2 decades.
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In reply to OdontoBear66 • 6:38p, 8/30/21
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
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In reply to dajo9 • 6:49p, 8/30/21
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
You nailed it.

It seems Odonto and other conservatives have some selective memory. They've completely ignored the one-sided deal Trump cut with the Taliban which froze out the Afghan government and the fact that the Taliban's leader (Abdul Ghani Barador) was released from prison in 2018 at Trump's request!

Let's just hope the empowerment of the Taliban doesn't come back to bite us. I'm glad we're out and back the decision but the rot that led to recent events set in a long time ago and should be borne by the last 4 presidents, not just Biden. I'm confident that when history looks back, Biden won't end up looking so bad compared to his predecessors (including Obama) with respect to Afghanistan.

For anyone interested, this is a pretty balanced take. It quotes Lisa Curtis, a senior Trump appointee to the NSC who was involved in Afghanistan during her time there:

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The historic deal was always high-wire diplomacy, requiring a degree of trust in the Taliban as a potential peace partner and inked despite skepticism from war-weary Afghans who feared losing authority in any power-sharing agreement.

"The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban," said Lisa Curtis, an Afghanistan expert who served during the Trump administration as the National Security Council's senior director for South and Central Asia.

She called it "wishful thinking" to believe that the Taliban might be interested in lasting peace. The resulting agreement, she said, was heavily weighted toward the Taliban, contributed to undermining Afghan President Ashraf Ghani he fled the country Sunday and facilitated the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners without a commensurate concession from the Taliban.

"They wanted U.S. forces out, and they wanted to take over the country militarily, and they believed that they could do that," Curtis said of the Taliban. "That was just crystal clear."

...

In hindsight, though, said Curtis, the U.S. should not have entered the Doha talks "unless we were prepared to represent the Afghan government's interests. It was an unfair negotiation because nobody was looking out for the interests of the Afghan government."

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7:42p, 8/30/21
A couple of weeks in, I still think it didn't matter who the President was, the exit from Afghanistan was going to be botched, and the Taliban were always going to regain control. Nonetheless, it was the right decision to make. Another month another million dollars, that would not have changed a thing. Its best to rip the band-aid off take your punches and stay away.
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 9:05p, 8/30/21
Anarchistbear said:
BearForce2 said:
Anarchistbear said:



Dumb f$ck should resign along with the heads of intelligence but if there is one lesson learned from all these fiascos it is nobody is ever held responsible



They should resign but these Generals are most likely equally culpable. Another ludicrous part of the Trump era were liberals regarding people like McMasters, Mattis, etc as the only adults in the room when they just represent an entrenched bipartisan establishment in a revolving door between government, military contractors and both parties- all of whom are motivated primarily by the ATM machine which is defense spending.


yes sir
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10:17p, 8/30/21
The Biden foreign policy is so foreign , no one can recognize it.
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In reply to helltopay1 • 10:40p, 8/30/21
helltopay1 said:
The Biden foreign policy is so foreign , no one can recognize it.

Yes. Not being in the war is indeed unrecognizable. I'm glad you're acknowledging that Biden got Trump's job done.
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12:36a, 8/31/21


The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to BearForce2 • 9:33a, 8/31/21
BearForce2 said:
Anarchistbear said:
BearForce2 said:
Anarchistbear said:



Dumb f$ck should resign along with the heads of intelligence but if there is one lesson learned from all these fiascos it is nobody is ever held responsible



They should resign but these Generals are most likely equally culpable. Another ludicrous part of the Trump era were liberals regarding people like McMasters, Mattis, etc as the only adults in the room when they just represent an entrenched bipartisan establishment in a revolving door between government, military contractors and both parties- all of whom are motivated primarily by the ATM machine which is defense spending.


yes sir
I'm glad conservatives are finally recognizing the folly of our endless "War on Terror." Let's hope this recognition continues into the next time there is a Republican President.

(It won't.)
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In reply to dajo9 • 11:23a, 8/31/21
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.
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1:05p, 8/31/21
Looks like the f@ucking Brits and their soldiers got the better part of the "joint decision." We saved their guys, our soldiers die.

" More than 170 Afghans and 13 US marines were killed in a double bomb attack at the gate and the nearby Baron hotel, which was also being used by British officials. Responsibility was claimed by ISKP, the Afghan affiliate of the global terror group."

UK and US took 'joint decision' to keep Kabul airport gate open


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/31/uk-and-us-took-joint-decision-to-keep-kabul-airport-gate-open?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


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In reply to OdontoBear66 • 1:06p, 8/31/21
OdontoBear66 said:
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.
The media has always been pro war. War sells. Or weren't you around back when George W Bush was starting wars? As I have said, I cancelled my subscription to the NY Times back in 2004 over how pro-war they were. The Washington Post, with its readership of defense department hangers-on and other Washington insiders is the last newspaper I'd expect to be ok with an end to forever wars.
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In reply to OdontoBear66 • 1:09p, 8/31/21
OdontoBear66 said:
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.

But wait, I thought the Washington Post was left-wing?
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This guy, Dave Rubin was off the grid for the entire month of August and just heard about Afghanistan. I've been hearing similar things from others. The disaster wasn't really so much due to incompetence of the Biden team, they knew things weren't looking good, they knew what was coming, they decided to do it their way anyways, it was intentional.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to sycasey • 9:36p, 9/2/21
sycasey said:
OdontoBear66 said:
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.

But wait, I thought the Washington Post was left-wing?
You've got it. Give dajo a call. He needs a clue or two.
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In reply to OdontoBear66 • 9:40p, 9/2/21
OdontoBear66 said:
sycasey said:
OdontoBear66 said:
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.

But wait, I thought the Washington Post was left-wing?
You've got it. Give dajo a call. He needs a clue or two.

So is the left singing a partisan tune if a left-wing paper is criticizing Biden? I don't understand.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:00a, 9/3/21
sycasey said:
OdontoBear66 said:
sycasey said:
OdontoBear66 said:
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.

But wait, I thought the Washington Post was left-wing?
You've got it. Give dajo a call. He needs a clue or two.

So is the left singing a partisan tune if a left-wing paper is criticizing Biden? I don't understand.
Granted you do not understand. Affirms the validity of the criticism when his own sympaticos align.
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In reply to OdontoBear66 • 11:37a, 9/3/21
OdontoBear66 said:
sycasey said:
OdontoBear66 said:
sycasey said:
OdontoBear66 said:
dajo9 said:
OdontoBear66 said:
okaydo said:
Part of being president is making brave decisions.

What, is the GOP going to go after Biden for not prolonging this war? Well, they could try. But it would only help him.
The brave and right decision was to get out. The way it was done in communication, intelligence, leaving material to the tune of $83B, and leaving Americans behind ("we will help them" by Blinken is a bit short after the last week), as well as our Afghani helpers. Total, total disaster. I agree with the decision and an idiot made up and insisted on the plan (Rice, Blinken, et al). Biden is in the caves. He just does what they tell him.


I predicted Odonto's response back in June
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/102338/replies/1888782
Funny how today's WaPo rather agrees with me. A "moral disaster", "due to mistakes by President Biden and his administration". "Strategic and tactical mistakes".

But the left keeps singing its partisan tune. What an absolute screw up.

But wait, I thought the Washington Post was left-wing?
You've got it. Give dajo a call. He needs a clue or two.

So is the left singing a partisan tune if a left-wing paper is criticizing Biden? I don't understand.
Granted you do not understand. Affirms the validity of the criticism when his own sympaticos align.
So then the left is not always so partisan. Maybe different people just have legitimately different opinions on the matter?
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11:55a, 9/3/21
You have to understand. Odonto is is the self proclaimed moderate of BearInsider. He always sides with conservatives but he is the moderate in every discussion. Take everything else he says with a grain of salt.
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The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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