dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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I love that the same people who ignored or defended every single boneheaded foreign policy blunder by 45 have all of the sudden adopted a zero tolerance policy that no POTUS could ever achieve.

I'm sure the White House is super concerned with the partisan opinions of people who applauded (I) Trump's embarrassing appearances at G-7/8/etc events where peer leaders mocked him, (ii) Trump's secretive closed door meetings with Putin, (iii) Trump discussing sensitive info with Abe in front of guests at Mar a Grifto, (iv) Trump sharing sensitive intel info, (v) Trump'a bizarre loser love affair with Kim and other dictators, (vi) inviting the Taliban to Camp David and signing a horrible deal that gave the Taliban everything they wanted in exchange for exactly nothing for the US and (vii) everything else he meddled with and muddled up in foreign affairs.

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It's too bad Unit2Sucks isn't here to add Trump's Iran War of choice to his list. I'm glad we had President Biden to get us out of war instead of getting us into new wars.

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He was heavily pro-genocide on Gaza, and probably supports this war too like a proper neocon does.

In 2025, Hillary 'I-will-bomb-Iran-if-I-win' Clinton praised Trump's foreign policy agenda.

I bet she is ecstatic now. pic.twitter.com/VnesNCT1vX

— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) March 11, 2026

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This is the kind of dishonest, misinformation that moderators should be deleting from this site and suspending people for

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And you call people "fascists", lol, zero self-awareness.

U2S was still here when the genocide started, and he was the most ardent zionist and genocide enthusiast. This is his last post on this board, cringeworthy pro-Israel takes that would make Laura Loomer blush:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/117254/replies/2332045

100% pro war on Iran, he's a leftie neocon, a la Hillary.

Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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I love that the same people who ignored or defended every single boneheaded foreign policy blunder by 45 have all of the sudden adopted a zero tolerance policy that no POTUS could ever achieve.

I'm sure the White House is super concerned with the partisan opinions of people who applauded (I) Trump's embarrassing appearances at G-7/8/etc events where peer leaders mocked him, (ii) Trump's secretive closed door meetings with Putin, (iii) Trump discussing sensitive info with Abe in front of guests at Mar a Grifto, (iv) Trump sharing sensitive intel info, (v) Trump'a bizarre loser love affair with Kim and other dictators, (vi) inviting the Taliban to Camp David and signing a horrible deal that gave the Taliban everything they wanted in exchange for exactly nothing for the US and (vii) everything else he meddled with and muddled up in foreign affairs.

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It's too bad Unit2Sucks isn't here to add Trump's Iran War of choice to his list. I'm glad we had President Biden to get us out of war instead of getting us into new wars.

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He was heavily pro-genocide on Gaza, and probably supports this war too like a proper neocon does.

In 2025, Hillary 'I-will-bomb-Iran-if-I-win' Clinton praised Trump's foreign policy agenda.

I bet she is ecstatic now. pic.twitter.com/VnesNCT1vX

— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) March 11, 2026

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This is the kind of dishonest, misinformation that moderators should be deleting from this site and suspending people for

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And you call people "fascists", lol, zero self-awareness.

U2S was still here when the genocide started, and he was the most ardent zionist and genocide enthusiast. This is his last post on this board, cringeworthy pro-Israel takes that would make Laura Loomer blush:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/117254/replies/2332045

100% pro war on Iran, he's a leftie neocon, a la Hillary.

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Dodging what you know is the misinformation which is the tweet you posted on Hillary.

U2S can defend himself, I have no idea.

BearGoggles said:

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It is astounding to me that some of the lefties in this thread can't help but point to Trump.

ALL presidents inherit problems from their predecessors. Trump inherited a bad Iran deal and N. Korea, not to mention an aggressive China that Obama had no appetite to confront. This is not a defense of how Trump dealt with those issues. For purposes of this discussion, it is irrelevant. It is merely to point out that all presidents are faced with these issues and are responsible for how they act once they take office.

Upon taking office, Biden reversed innumerable Trump policies and agreements (as Trump did when he exited the Iran deal and trans pacific agreement). He isn't shy about it. If Biden didn't like the deal Trump cut with the Taliban, he could have exited it. Trump's deal (whatever you think of it) had conditions that were not met - Biden could have revoked it or repudiated it. Even the AP says that.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-middle-east-taliban-doha-e6f48507848aef2ee849154604aa11be

The reality is that Biden had no appetite to revoke the deal and stay in Afghanistan because he wanted to leave. He made an affirmative choice to leave - it had almost nothing to do with Trump. And, for purposes of this discussion, the merits of Biden's choice are a different discussion. But pinning this on Trump and his agreement is both dishonest and absurd - read the AP article I linked to.

Having decided to leave, Biden is 1000% responsible for how the exit occurred. And the damage of his lie (that the taliban would not take over) is that it prevented US civilians, contractors, allies and friendly Afghanis from preparing for a timely exit. Those defending or rationalizing the lie (Sycasey) ignore this fact. People will die because of that lie that wouldn't have otherwise.

There was no reason to close Bagram. There was no reason to discontinue air support for the Afghan army. It is a bit off topic, but the US spent 20 years training the Afghan army to fight like we do - with massive air support and intelligence gathering. Then we took that away and wonder why the Afghans couldn't fight?

Biden has botched this beyond belief. His behavior is inexplicable - not coordinating with our closest allies, not listening to the intelligence he was given (or ignoring and lying about it), allowing the Taliban to obtain possession of all of the military equipment, not calling Boris Johnson back for 36 hours in the midst of the crisis, etc. Withdrawing troops before evacuating citizens.

And most shamefully, his administrations has refused to unequivocally state they will protect all US citizens in Afghanistan. That is truly unprecedented and an abrogation of Biden's most basic duty.

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Beargoggles was extremely upset that President Biden didnt coordinate with allies but is crickets when Trump is President.

"Reporter: Why didn't you tell allies about the war before attacking Iran?

Trump: We wanted it to be a surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?"

https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3mhgfqvx5qh2g

dajo9 said:

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BearGoggles said:

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It is astounding to me that some of the lefties in this thread can't help but point to Trump.

ALL presidents inherit problems from their predecessors. Trump inherited a bad Iran deal and N. Korea, not to mention an aggressive China that Obama had no appetite to confront. This is not a defense of how Trump dealt with those issues. For purposes of this discussion, it is irrelevant. It is merely to point out that all presidents are faced with these issues and are responsible for how they act once they take office.

Upon taking office, Biden reversed innumerable Trump policies and agreements (as Trump did when he exited the Iran deal and trans pacific agreement). He isn't shy about it. If Biden didn't like the deal Trump cut with the Taliban, he could have exited it. Trump's deal (whatever you think of it) had conditions that were not met - Biden could have revoked it or repudiated it. Even the AP says that.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-middle-east-taliban-doha-e6f48507848aef2ee849154604aa11be

The reality is that Biden had no appetite to revoke the deal and stay in Afghanistan because he wanted to leave. He made an affirmative choice to leave - it had almost nothing to do with Trump. And, for purposes of this discussion, the merits of Biden's choice are a different discussion. But pinning this on Trump and his agreement is both dishonest and absurd - read the AP article I linked to.

Having decided to leave, Biden is 1000% responsible for how the exit occurred. And the damage of his lie (that the taliban would not take over) is that it prevented US civilians, contractors, allies and friendly Afghanis from preparing for a timely exit. Those defending or rationalizing the lie (Sycasey) ignore this fact. People will die because of that lie that wouldn't have otherwise.

There was no reason to close Bagram. There was no reason to discontinue air support for the Afghan army. It is a bit off topic, but the US spent 20 years training the Afghan army to fight like we do - with massive air support and intelligence gathering. Then we took that away and wonder why the Afghans couldn't fight?

Biden has botched this beyond belief. His behavior is inexplicable - not coordinating with our closest allies, not listening to the intelligence he was given (or ignoring and lying about it), allowing the Taliban to obtain possession of all of the military equipment, not calling Boris Johnson back for 36 hours in the midst of the crisis, etc. Withdrawing troops before evacuating citizens.

And most shamefully, his administrations has refused to unequivocally state they will protect all US citizens in Afghanistan. That is truly unprecedented and an abrogation of Biden's most basic duty.

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Beargoggles was extremely upset that President Biden didnt coordinate with allies but is crickets when Trump is President.

"Reporter: Why didn't you tell allies about the war before attacking Iran?

Trump: We wanted it to be a surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?"

https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3mhgfqvx5qh2g

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Yes, another 3,000 word essay.
And the hypocrisy is remarkable.
Another poster I put on ignore this week.

Not worth my time.

Getting out of Afghanistan was the one thing I will give Biden credit for. A twenty year waste of time to prop up heroin production.