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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:59a, 6/19/26
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dajo9 said:
Why Trump capitulated

What were Iran's terms of surrender?


What were our terms of surrender.

Fixed it for you.


This is dumb. It's ridiculous how people go from why are we bombing Iran to why did we stop bombing Iran? More leaders in history should have cut wars short to save lives. Trump could have easily just kept bombing Iran into submission. Trump could have boots on the ground. You all would have cried about that too.


Trump walked us into a no-win situation that every previous President saw and avoided and then Trump made the lesser bad choice and you think he should be praised. That is delusional.


I'm not sure I ever asked for him to be praised. What's delusional is for people to claim we surrendered after also claiming they don't want forever wars. You can have your opinion on whether we should have gone into Iran or not but Iran isn't stronger.


Iran is definitely stronger now. That's not even debatable among rational people. Trump definitely deserves criticism for losing a war even if he chose not to escalate. Anyone with an ounce of credibility would bash Trump for his Iran War more than they bashed Biden for ending a forever war.
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In reply to dajo9 • 7:09a, 6/19/26
dajo9 said:
BearlySane88 said:
dajo9 said:
BearlySane88 said:
Tedhead94 the II said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Why Trump capitulated

What were Iran's terms of surrender?


What were our terms of surrender.

Fixed it for you.


This is dumb. It's ridiculous how people go from why are we bombing Iran to why did we stop bombing Iran? More leaders in history should have cut wars short to save lives. Trump could have easily just kept bombing Iran into submission. Trump could have boots on the ground. You all would have cried about that too.


Trump walked us into a no-win situation that every previous President saw and avoided and then Trump made the lesser bad choice and you think he should be praised. That is delusional.


I'm not sure I ever asked for him to be praised. What's delusional is for people to claim we surrendered after also claiming they don't want forever wars. You can have your opinion on whether we should have gone into Iran or not but Iran isn't stronger.


Itan is definitely stronger now. That's not even debatable among rational people. Trump definitely deserves criticism for losing a war even if he chose not to escalate. Anyone with an ounce of credibility would bash Trump for his Iran War more than they bashed Biden for ending a forever war.


They aren't stronger now but please lay out your reasoning for why. As I said, criticize Trump for going into Iran all you want but Iran comes out of it weaker. He didn't lose a war. He decimated Iran's nuclear capability, severely weakened their military complex, and showed Iran they can take out their leaders anytime they'd like. Now he's allowing Iran to show they can figure their **** out and if they don't, more bombs get dropped and they get no infrastructure investments.

I would have loved for Trump to have stayed out of Iran, or at least formally. He didn't and I understand his reasoning, whether I agree or not. I am happy we are getting out of it, I am happy Iran is weaker.

Btw Biden was/is bashed for how he pulled out of Afghanistan, not really as much for pulling out.
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7:18a, 6/19/26


Several key factors explain how Iran emerged from the conflict in a stronger position:

Control Over Global Energy:
Iran's most devastating weapon proved to be the closure of the Strait of Hormuzthe vital shipping lane where a fifth of the world's crude passes. By effectively shutting it down, Iran caused massive global oil supply shocks, forcing Washington and regional Arab states to tolerate Iranian demands.

Regime Resilience:
Despite devastating U.S. and Israeli airstrikes, targeted leadership assassinations, and vast damage to its conventional military and infrastructure, the Iranian regime survived. This resilience allowed the government to frame the ordeal at home as a massive defiance and strategic victory.

Nuclear and Missile Survival:
The U.S. objective of obliterating Iran's nuclear and missile programs was only partially achieved. Iran retained its stockpiles of highly enriched uranium and the capability to rebuild its ballistic missile and drone factories, allowing it to maintain a formidable deterrent.

Sanctions Leverage:
As part of the recent interim ceasefire negotiations, the U.S. Treasury was forced to provide sanctions waivers to allow Iran to resume transporting, insuring, and selling its oil, granting Tehran direct economic relief.

Showcasing Asymmetric Tactics:
Iran's adept use of shadow fleets, mines, and small boats proved that overwhelming military superiority doesn't easily translate to winning a war of attrition. This shed an uncomfortable light on America's inability to single-handedly guarantee freedom of navigation.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:10a, 6/19/26
BearlySane88 said:
Tedhead94 the II said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Why Trump capitulated

What were Iran's terms of surrender?


What were our terms of surrender.

Fixed it for you.


This is dumb. It's ridiculous how people go from why are we bombing Iran to why did we stop bombing Iran? More leaders in history should have cut wars short to save lives. Trump could have easily just kept bombing Iran into submission. Trump could have boots on the ground. You all would have cried about that too.


Agreed. TACO!! Meanwhile, the 'world order' is changing, USMCA is on the way out, and Canada may have a rude awakening. How many of their six Japanese car manufacturing plants will close when USMCA ends?

Meanwhile, Dr. Gad Saad, who plans to relocate to the USA, may face an up to a 50% wealth / exit tax on his departure. He's partly leaving bc of growing anti Semitism in Canada. Some claim this exit tax prevents other Canadians from moving as well.
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In reply to movielover • 9:58a, 6/19/26
movielover said:
BearlySane88 said:
Tedhead94 the II said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Why Trump capitulated

What were Iran's terms of surrender?


What were our terms of surrender.

Fixed it for you.


This is dumb. It's ridiculous how people go from why are we bombing Iran to why did we stop bombing Iran? More leaders in history should have cut wars short to save lives. Trump could have easily just kept bombing Iran into submission. Trump could have boots on the ground. You all would have cried about that too.


Agreed. TACO!! Meanwhile, the 'world order' is changing, USMCA is on the way out, and Canada may have a rude awakening. How many of their six Japanese car manufacturing plants will close when USMCA ends?

Meanwhile, Dr. Gad Saad, who plans to relocate to the USA, may face an up to a 50% wealth / exit tax on his departure. He's partly leaving bc of growing anti Semitism in Canada. Some claim this exit tax prevents other Canadians from moving as well.


The Japanese plants in Canada will be replaced by Chinese EV plants. Canada has low energy and lower labor costs, they produce 400TWh of hydro power vs 250TWh in the US.

Screwing Canada over for the sake of screwing them is terrible economic policy, they have plenty of cards, as a natural resource powerhouse.

Saad is a professional whiner and manipulator, and a self-avowed Mosad agent:


And the stories of growing antisemitism in Canada and in Europe boil down to propaganda meant to crush free speech and civil liberties. For example in the UK you can get a 14 year prison sentence just for saying you support Palestine Action.






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In reply to Cal88 • 11:44a, 6/20/26
Who will China sell Canadian-made EVs to?

Possibly Americans, after a Democrat enters the WH and bends over for the CCCP? Gutting the American auto industry?
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In reply to movielover • 1:56p, 6/20/26
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Who will China sell Canadian-made EVs to?

Possibly Americans, after a Democrat enters the WH and bends over for the CCCP? Gutting the American auto industry?

Canada is the 10th largest auto market in the world, their market is big enough that at least one of the top Chinese EV producers will be incentivized to set up shop. Any exports they can get out of that operation would be just gravy. Canada is signing free trade agreements with the EU, they might be able to export there.

Dems will probably revive USMCA.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 2:06p, 6/20/26
We drained the SPR to get there.
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:11p, 6/20/26
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We drained the SPR to get there.

We drilled baby drilled to get there.

  • Starting around 2008-2010, advances in hydraulic fracturing (fracking) and horizontal drilling unlocked vast reserves of tight oil from shale formations (e.g., Permian Basin in Texas/New Mexico, Bakken in North Dakota, Eagle Ford in Texas).
  • US crude oil production reversed decades of decline (from a low of ~5 million barrels per day in 2008) and surged. By recent years, it reached record highs around 13-13.6 million bpd, making the US the world's top producer overall.
  • This turned the US from a major importer into a net exporter. Shale now accounts for a huge share of output, with private companies (not state-controlled like in many rivals) driving efficiency and innovation.
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    In reply to movielover • 2:26p, 6/20/26
    movielover said:
    Who will China sell Canadian-made EVs to?

    Possibly Americans, after a Democrat enters the WH and bends over for the CCCP? Gutting the American auto industry?


    The U.S. auto industry gutted itself by not making cars huge swaths of Americans want. Why should we protect them? What are they doing for us?
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    In reply to Cal88 • 9:43a, 6/21/26
    Cal88 said:
    movielover said:
    Who will China sell Canadian-made EVs to?

    Possibly Americans, after a Democrat enters the WH and bends over for the CCCP? Gutting the American auto industry?

    Canada is the 10th largest auto market in the world, their market is big enough that at least one of the top Chinese EV producers will be incentivized to set up shop. Any exports they can get out of that operation would be just gravy. Canada is signing free trade agreements with the EU, they might be able to export there.

    Dems will probably revive USMCA.


    Revive USMCA = chip away at American jobs again, giving China backdoor access to the US market.

    Canada is in a small recession now. Professor Gad Saad is going to relocate to America, and just realized he will be hit with a huge "exit tax" for leaving. He's floored. Some posters claim many Canadians would move to the States if not for this tax, hence Canadians living half the year in the USA.

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