Iran. Oh, the irony...

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5:21p, 6/14/26
Seems like Trump's goal here is to announce the end of the war and have it all forgotten by the time the details come out in a week. The media mostly works for him so it's worth a try.
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5:38p, 6/14/26
The $300 billion are more of a wishful thing, but the $24 billion and lifting of the sanctions are the real carrot being dangled here, enough of an incentive for Iran to comply.

Trump can end the war if he just lowers the boom on Israel and demands they withdraw from Lebanon or else, just like Reagan did in 82. With every week Bibi telling him off, the odds of Trump being blackmailed by Israel grow.
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In reply to chazzed • 11:44p, 6/14/26
chazzed said:
Israel did manipulate him, true. But it would not be as "legitimate" a war without the U.S.

Putin and the Russians made the deal.
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:57a, 6/15/26
dajo9 said:
Seems like Trump's goal here is to announce the end of the war and have it all forgotten by the time the details come out in a week. The media mostly works for him so it's worth a try.

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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 4:02p, 6/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Seems like Trump's goal here is to announce the end of the war and have it all forgotten by the time the details come out in a week. The media mostly works for him so it's worth a try.



"CIA Director John Ratcliffe told President Trump and other senior officials that intelligence gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies raised serious doubts about Iran's willingness to make the nuclear concessions the U.S. is seeking in any final deal, according to three sources familiar with those discussions.

Friction point: Ratcliffe isn't the only skeptic in Trump's top team. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth have both expressed concerns and raised questions about the deal in internal discussions, while Vice President Vance and U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner advocated for it, according to two of the sources."
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In reply to bearister • 4:21p, 6/15/26
bearister said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Seems like Trump's goal here is to announce the end of the war and have it all forgotten by the time the details come out in a week. The media mostly works for him so it's worth a try.



"CIA Director John Ratcliffe told President Trump and other senior officials that intelligence gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies raised serious doubts about Iran's willingness to make the nuclear concessions the U.S. is seeking in any final deal, according to three sources familiar with those discussions.

Friction point: Ratcliffe isn't the only skeptic in Trump's top team. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth have both expressed concerns and raised questions about the deal in internal discussions, while Vice President Vance and U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner advocated for it, according to two of the sources."
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This is going to sound wild, but I'm pretty high today (on life)...

What if we made Iran our 51st state! The nukes they are always trying to make would then be ours, as would the "Hormuz Strait" and all their oil reserves! What's in it for them? They could send a lot of their dissidents over here and the remaining fundamentalist nut jobs could profit from the whole arrangement.

We would have to make it like when Cal went to the ACC: Iran would not get "full" statehood for a number of years, even decades. Maybe they start out with 1 member of the House, one Senator and two electoral votes. Okay, we would have to turn a blind eye to a lot of the stuff they do, but that wouldn't be hard.

Somebody tell me why this wouldn't work! Also worth it to see the look on Netanyahu's face. Long term, though, he wouldn't have to worry about Iran bombing them or anything.

The Art of the Deal. You're welcome.
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In reply to Big C • 4:30p, 6/15/26
Big C said:
bearister said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
dajo9 said:
Seems like Trump's goal here is to announce the end of the war and have it all forgotten by the time the details come out in a week. The media mostly works for him so it's worth a try.



"CIA Director John Ratcliffe told President Trump and other senior officials that intelligence gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies raised serious doubts about Iran's willingness to make the nuclear concessions the U.S. is seeking in any final deal, according to three sources familiar with those discussions.

Friction point: Ratcliffe isn't the only skeptic in Trump's top team. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth have both expressed concerns and raised questions about the deal in internal discussions, while Vice President Vance and U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner advocated for it, according to two of the sources."
Axios

This is going to sound wild, but I'm pretty high today (on life)...

What if we made Iran our 51st state! The nukes they are always trying to make would then be ours, as would the "Hormuz Strait" and all their oil reserves! What's in it for them? They could send a lot of their dissidents over here and the remaining fundamentalist nut jobs could profit from the whole arrangement.

We would have to make it like when Cal went to the ACC: Iran would not get "full" statehood for a number of years, even decades. Maybe they start out with 1 member of the House, one Senator and two electoral votes. Okay, we would have to turn a blind eye to a lot of the stuff they do, but that wouldn't be hard.

Somebody tell me why this wouldn't work! Also worth it to see the look on Netanyahu's face. Long term, though, he wouldn't have to worry about Iran bombing them or anything.

The Art of the Deal. You're welcome.



Puerto Rico would be PISSED
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4:40p, 6/15/26
As expected, it's a disaster. Wow.

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4:42p, 6/15/26
Assuming these are the terms of the deal, did we just start a war with Iran so we could pay them to stop it? Do I have that right?
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In reply to sycasey • 4:45p, 6/15/26
sycasey said:
Assuming these are the terms of the deal, did we just start a war with Iran so we could pay them to stop it? Do I have that right?


In ancient times it would be called the U.S. paying tribute to Iran.
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In reply to chazzed • 4:46p, 6/15/26
"Loathe as I am to defend Obama, because I feel he's responsible for a big chunk of why we're in such the mess as a nation (socially speaking) that we are today,

What do you feel Trump is responsible for as far as the mess we are in as a nation as well as on the world stage?

Which mess is worse?

* Nothing like an anonymous opinion with a conclusion based on the recitation of zero facts.
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In reply to bearister • 6:18p, 6/15/26
bearister said:
"Loathe as I am to defend Obama, because I feel he's responsible for a big chunk of why we're in such the mess as a nation (socially speaking) that we are today,

What do you feel Trump is responsible for as far as the mess we are in as a nation as well as on the world stage?

Which mess is worse?

* Nothing like an anonymous opinion with a conclusion based on the recitation of zero facts.

Yeah, I do not agree with that part of the tweet. I embedded it because of the deal details he included, and because he does not seem to be a partisan hack.
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6:43p, 6/15/26
Even more lying by the administration.

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In reply to sycasey • 7:33p, 6/15/26
sycasey said:
Assuming these are the terms of the deal, did we just start a war with Iran so we could pay them to stop it? Do I have that right?


Why would we assume these are the terms? Everything I've seen from US sources says that no money will be exchanged up front but could be down the road based on Iran's performance upholding the deal. It would also go largely to humanitarian needs. Then there may be a reconstruction fund that's supported by private investment, not taxpayer funding.

I'm not saying I believe all this either but you're assuming that Iranian propaganda is true.
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In reply to chazzed • 7:51p, 6/15/26
chazzed said:
Even more lying by the administration.



Trump has consistently lied throughout his war. No reason to believe anything he says.
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7:56p, 6/15/26
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:03p, 6/15/26
BearlySane88 said:


So they are re-running the story that Iran's nuclear capability is destroyed just like they said last summer, which was obviously false.
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:05p, 6/15/26
"Highly enriched uranium stockpile will be eliminated with international oversight."
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:11p, 6/15/26
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"Highly enriched uranium stockpile will be eliminated with international oversight."


There is no reporting that is in the agreement. That will be the U.S. position in the upcoming negotiations.
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8:22p, 6/15/26
Well done, Messrs Netanyahu and Trump.

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In reply to chazzed • 12:55a, 6/16/26
chazzed said:
Well done, Messrs Netanyahu and Trump.



No tolls. Promises Made. Promises Kept.

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In reply to chazzed • 6:50a, 6/16/26
Yeah let's keep believing unfounded propaganda. You know that Kristol would advocate for more military action against Iran, not less. He's also a Zionist. He's also was the founder and editor of the neocon bible. Weird person for the left to be posting and believing about Iran.

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/article/us-and-iran-agree-strait-of-hormuz-will-be-toll-free-for-60-days-they-differ-on-what-happens-after-that-155107788.html

"Both sides are in agreement that a final deal will see "the toll-free opening of the Strait of Hormuz," as President Trump put it Sunday."


"Trump said the agreement will mean the waterway will ultimately be "permanently toll-free." A senior US official added to reporters Monday that "we're quite explicit in [the text of the deal] that the straits will be open toll-free for 60 days and we expect that to become part of the final agreement as well."

Let's see the actual agreement and then you can cry about how awful it is.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 9:06a
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
Assuming these are the terms of the deal, did we just start a war with Iran so we could pay them to stop it? Do I have that right?


Why would we assume these are the terms? Everything I've seen from US sources says that no money will be exchanged up front but could be down the road based on Iran's performance upholding the deal. It would also go largely to humanitarian needs. Then there may be a reconstruction fund that's supported by private investment, not taxpayer funding.

I'm not saying I believe all this either but you're assuming that Iranian propaganda is true.

I kind of hope this is not the result (though honestly at this point it might be the least-bad way to wind this down), which is why I added the caveat. I don't know that for sure.
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9:52a
It's not a toll, They're just putting a service charge to keep traffic going.

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10:51a
"Wait, let's see how it plays out. As Trump has the emotional maturity and honesty of a toddler, you know we can't place stock in anything he says."

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