Iran. Oh, the irony...

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brobear
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for a time yes until we entirely botched it. i don't expect Trump to make the same mistakes
DiabloWags
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America First

No New Wars

We Shouldn't be the World's Policeman.

This was the election campaign that Trump ran on.
His supporters got duped.

HE LIED.

tequila4kapp
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chazzed said:



I read the article. It does not say "because" and does not make any causal connection between the election interference and this attack. False report
https://justthenews.com/government/security/iranians-tried-interfere-2020-and-2024-stop-trump-iran-now-faces-possible-war
DiabloWags
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Then why would it even need to be mentioned by Trump at this time?
tequila4kapp
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DiabloWags said:

Then why would it need to be mentioned by Trump at this time?

You are asking why Trump does or says something? With a very few exceptions I think it's a solid life hack to never hang on the **** Trump says anywhere, but maybe especially X.
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tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

Then why would it need to be mentioned by Trump at this time?

You are asking why Trump does or says something? With a very few exceptions I think it's a solid life hack to never hang on the **** Trump says anywhere, but maybe especially X.


Perhaps.

But at the end of the day, we are all acutely aware of his "pattern" of always making it about Donald Trump.

No one else.
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SBGold said:

That's an angry and profane response

You better believe it. Won't be the last.
sycasey
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

BearlySane88 said:



As expected, asymmetrical warfare. It's all Iran has. They strategically will seek to expand the scope and nature of the war, and drag this out as long as possible.

Which is why striking Iran was a bad idea.

Iran considers it a religious duty to destroy Israel, it's like a precondition to realizing salvation. They also speak openly about destroying America. The religious fanaticism of their leaders puts boundaries on how much they can be reasoned with. We obviously cannot allow them to have nukes. They refuse to give them up. We have reached the point where regime change is the only way to eliminate that risk. I wish that wasn't the case but it is.

Same arguments that were made about Iraq. All right, let's run it back!
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tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

But where is the "imminent threat to the United States of America?


It's a fair question. That is the normal test and maybe it cannot be met. But nukes have a unique lethality and if you believe a nuclear Iran is an existential threat then you take opportunities when they arise. I am comfortable seeing there's a definite national interest at play, which puts me in a different camp from MTG and others for whom "America First" has morphed into isolationism.

We literally went through this exact bull**** with Iraq and you're falling for it again?

Moron.
BearlySane88
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The main difference that I see is that in Iraq we had a planned occupation attached to it. In Iran, there is no plan for extended occupation. Full scale ground war vs military offensive.
sycasey
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brobear said:

for a time yes until we entirely botched it. i don't expect Trump to make the same mistakes

If Donald Trump has a well thought-out plan for this it will be the first time.
DiabloWags
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Aunburdened said:

tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

But where is the "imminent threat to the United States of America?


It's a fair question. That is the normal test and maybe it cannot be met. But nukes have a unique lethality and if you believe a nuclear Iran is an existential threat then you take opportunities when they arise. I am comfortable seeing there's a definite national interest at play, which puts me in a different camp from MTG and others for whom "America First" has morphed into isolationism.

We literally went through this exact bull**** with Iraq and you're falling for it again?

Moron.


Wow.
BearlySane88
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BearlySane88
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Well considering Khamenei is already dead, I'd say his plan was pretty ****ing solid
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

Well considering Khamenei is already dead, I'd say his plan was pretty ****ing solid

We killed Saddam too.
BearlySane88
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Not in 12 hours bro. 9 months to capture him vs 12 hours is a hell of a difference
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Well considering Khamenei is already dead, I'd say his plan was pretty ****ing solid

We killed Saddam too.

We didn't
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BearlySane88 said:

The main difference that I see is that in Iraq we had a planned occupation attached to it. In Iran, there is no plan for extended occupation. Full scale ground war vs military offensive.

The main difference is one consonant
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lol this made me laugh, well done
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Aunburdened said:

dajo9 said:

We should just collectively call all these wars (Iran, Venezuela) the Epstein Wars




The Uniparty Wars now brought to you by the State of Israel and their bagmen
DiabloWags
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Someone made $1.2 million from today's attack.

Never mind that these prediction markets are "telegraphing" valuable classified info to our U S. adversaries.

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/02/28/suspected-insiders-make-over-usd1-2-million-on-polymarket-ahead-of-u-s-strike-on-iran
BearlySane88
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tequila4kapp
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BearlySane88 said:



They've been a theocracy for 47 years. That's 2 full generations of people subjected to the America is evil brainwashing their entire lives. There will be layers and layers of true believers waiting in the wings.

Consider Syria and Venezuela. No nation building in the tradition neo-con way. Trump accepted a Socialist and former Al Queda member as new leaders of those countries, emphasizing willingness to agree to our terms over democracy building, etc. There may be some clues here that Iran needs some layer of the remaining theocracy to step forward who are willing to give up nukes, the missile program and supporting terrorists. That may be a more realistic path forward over the idea that there will be an organic non-theocratic upraising.
BearlySane88
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kal kommie
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BearlySane88 said:

Liberation and protecting the US and its interests. That's what America is all about.

The same people upset about this would have been upset about us sending troops to Europe during WW2

Not that there's any reason to think you believe the stupid sh*t you say on this board but you are a complete fool if you believe the US government gives a s*** about liberation.
sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:

Not in 12 hours bro. 9 months to capture him vs 12 hours is a hell of a difference

Taking out a leader is relatively easy. The hard part is what comes after.
DiabloWags
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Not in 12 hours bro. 9 months to capture him vs 12 hours is a hell of a difference

Taking out a leader is relatively easy. The hard part is what comes after.


Bingo.

The power vacuum can be highly problematic.
See Venezuela with communist leader Delcy Rodriguez.
SBGold
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100%
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sycasey said:

BearlySane88 said:

Not in 12 hours bro. 9 months to capture him vs 12 hours is a hell of a difference

Taking out a leader is relatively easy. The hard part is what comes after.

Without an understanding of what comes next (Trump's video just makes you just want to squirm - "maybe they will ask me who should lead?" ), the attack could create a chaotic power vacuum in Iran. With all the fanatics wondering around in that part of the world, you really could get worse - which is shocking. Is there any reason to believe that hardline, anti-West types will not continue to rule Iran? This also means potentially, dramatic regional instability. They are not taking down Iran's capabilities with one night of strikes. This could mean Iran threatening vital economic capacity, such as oil shipments in the Straits of Hormuz.

Will this could embolden or weakenen Iranian-backed proxy groups across the Middle East? They will seek support from elsewhere and that may mean benefactors who may not be willing to force restraint like Iran, who put Iran's economic needs for regional stability before the interests of their proxy groups.

Not getting a real sense this has been thought out after listening to Trump's comments, though presumably this attack was being planned for some time. I guess time will tell on this gamble. If I was in Congress, I would wait to see how this plays out. If the US has a say about what happens in Iran, this administration is not into democratic nation building as evidenced by Venezuala, but wanting economic allies. Just call us China light.
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

MTG doesn't get a vote anymore, she quit. Whether you agree or not, Trump has full authority to do what he did without congressional approval

She quit because her family received death threats.

MTG has been receiving death threats prior to Trump's election but no one cared, just like stuff regarding Epstein.

As far as X goes, no one on the right is obsessed with MTG the way the left is.
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Cal88 said:



The video in that post is from a 2014 Taliban school attack in Peshawar, Pakistan.
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sycasey said:

Taking out a leader is relatively easy. The hard part is what comes after.

The Democrats have been trying but have been unsuccessful in taking out Trump.
 
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