Anarchistbear said:

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BREAKING 🚨 Three U.S. F-15E Strike Eagles mistakenly shot down by Kuwaiti air defences — CENTCOM pic.twitter.com/VGveTYGW34

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) March 2, 2026

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Friendly fire does happen.

But three F-15Es? Downstream effects of ops tempo + lack of training + faulty mission planning + panic.

I mission planned F-15Es for a living in the USAF… our military is IN Kuwait on permanent station in multiple locations. This is operational… https://t.co/26MMRr0W81

— Denver Lee Riggleman III (@Denver4VA) March 2, 2026

Unconfirmed reports of these planes having been shut down over Kuweit by new Chinese systems in Iran's possession, Kuweit being well within radar and AA coverage from Iran.

More likely than not, this is friendly fire but if more future downing events occur, then we would have to consider the alternative theory.

Edit: a third scenario might be Iranian/Chinese electronic warfare disrupting the processes of identifying friendlies

The F-15 “friendly fire” claim is either *lie* or a US command failure. But something is OFF.

After talking to experienced military sources, here’s how we KNOW the reporting is cover:

* Kuwait uses three types of air defense system:
>Patriot
>Improved HAWK
>SHORAD

A SHORAD…

— Adam Cochran (adamscochran.eth) (@adamscochran) March 2, 2026

Cal88 said:

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Yep.

This is apparently was forced the Trump administration's hand:

Secretary Rubio conveyed to the “Gang of Eight” that the US chose to strike Iran because Israel had already decided to launch an attack beforehand.

The US could either strike Iran alongside Israel or after Iran retaliated against US bases in the region.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/HxTJR3K0tZ

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 2, 2026

Pentagon also worried about this war spiraling out of control.

WaPo: the mood inside the Pentagon is "intense and paranoid"

Pentagon leaders worry the US will expend its air defense stockpiles, and the conflict will "spiral out of control"

This is precisely what Pentagon Joint Chiefs Chair Dan Caine warned of last week pic.twitter.com/bxWuW3RVCv

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) March 2, 2026

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Pfft

Just wait until a "terrorism" event takes place on US soil.

Trump will have stepped in it.
Fool!

Cal88 said:

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Yep.

This is apparently was forced the Trump administration's hand:

Secretary Rubio conveyed to the “Gang of Eight” that the US chose to strike Iran because Israel had already decided to launch an attack beforehand.

The US could either strike Iran alongside Israel or after Iran retaliated against US bases in the region.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/HxTJR3K0tZ

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 2, 2026

Pentagon also worried about this war spiraling out of control.

WaPo: the mood inside the Pentagon is "intense and paranoid"

Pentagon leaders worry the US will expend its air defense stockpiles, and the conflict will "spiral out of control"

This is precisely what Pentagon Joint Chiefs Chair Dan Caine warned of last week pic.twitter.com/bxWuW3RVCv

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) March 2, 2026

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…..,but, but, but, as Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have taught us, massive bombing ends these skirmishes quickly and decisively with no need for planning with regard to what happens after the bombing stops.

*Is it time yet to roll out Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and BENGAZI! again?

Never mind the terribly inconsistent "messaging" from Trump and his Administration.

"It's a regime change" - - - Trump

"It's not a regime change" - - - Hegseth

tequila4kapp said:

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More from the Politico article:

In August, Brooklyn federal prosecutors charged a Pakistani man suspected of plotting on behalf of Iran to kill high-ranking U.S. politicians or officials including perhaps Trump. The man is accused of trying to hire hit men to carry out the plot.

And

Trump has been a target of Iran since January 2020, when, as president, Trump ordered a drone strike killing Qassem Soleimani, then Iran's most powerful military general.

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Trump is going to look pretty stupid when WDC goes up in a mushroom cloud.

And oh so many Americans will stupidly be like "didn't see that coming"

Trump: " I don't want this to go on too long"

Hegseth; " We'll go as far as we need."

Hegseth will be another war casualty

The goals are changing by the minute.

Substantial redefinition of 🇺🇸 war aims by Secretary Hegseth. Regime change is off the table. Complete elimination of all 🇮🇷 conventional military capabilities that can affect the region is now the aim. Weeks of strikes lie ahead in order to achieve this. pic.twitter.com/ycQhjZG84a

— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) March 2, 2026

How can it not be for regime change? How does Hegseth still have a job if he is stating nonsense like this?

SBGold said:

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How can it not be for regime change? How does Hegseth still have a job if he is stating nonsense like this?

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Sadly, Chairman Dan Caine is the only professional in the room.
Hegseth is a hack.

There's no way that 3 F-15E's should have been shot down due to "friendly" fire.
It smacks of downstream operational incompetence.

Makes no sense, I'm totally against this attack that is really the bidding for Israel. The only thing I can see that is a positive from it is regime change.

My God

SBGold said:

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Makes no sense, I'm totally against this attack that is really the bidding for Israel. The only thing I can see that is a positive from it is regime change.

My God

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It's hard to imagine that there will be the "right" regime change without somehow putting "boots" on the ground be it with the CIA or Mossad.

Doesn't seem to me like there's really a PLAN here . . . given all of the inconsistent messaging.

The fact that the talking heads like Hegseth aren't able to tell American's where was the IMMINENT THREAT and WHY NOW speaks volumes about this attack and operation.

sycasey said:

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The goals are changing by the minute.

Substantial redefinition of 🇺🇸 war aims by Secretary Hegseth. Regime change is off the table. Complete elimination of all 🇮🇷 conventional military capabilities that can affect the region is now the aim. Weeks of strikes lie ahead in order to achieve this. pic.twitter.com/ycQhjZG84a

— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) March 2, 2026

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Also, see the recent Iranian talking points - never giving up the missile program and not negotiating with the US. These are further signs that we are not fighting a normal enemy. The fact these guys are religious extremists means they are true believers, which means they will not behave in the traditional manner politicians behave. They ascend to leadership positions knowing they'll now be killed. They seemingly do not care...martyrdom and all that. This war is going to last a while.

Looks like the Affordability Crisis just got a major second wind with the Strait of Hormuz essentially closed.

So much for the "imminent" threat.

This Administration is a joke.
The regard for the American people is an afterthought.

DiabloWags said:

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SBGold said:

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How can it not be for regime change? How does Hegseth still have a job if he is stating nonsense like this?

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Sadly, Chairman Dan Caine is the only professional in the room.
Hegseth is a hack.

There's no way that 3 F-15E's should have been shot down due to "friendly" fire.
It smacks of downstream operational incompetence.

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Operation Desert Shitstorm takes its first casualty: US Vice Admiral Fred Kacher fired as director of Joint Chiefs of Staff by Trump in advance of war. https://t.co/iLphby0NRg

— Kathleen Tyson (@Kathleen_Tyson_) February 26, 2026

tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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The goals are changing by the minute.

Substantial redefinition of 🇺🇸 war aims by Secretary Hegseth. Regime change is off the table. Complete elimination of all 🇮🇷 conventional military capabilities that can affect the region is now the aim. Weeks of strikes lie ahead in order to achieve this. pic.twitter.com/ycQhjZG84a

— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) March 2, 2026

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Also, see the recent Iranian talking points - never giving up the missile program and not negotiating with the US. These are further signs that we are not fighting a normal enemy. The fact these guys are religious extremists means they are true believers, which means they will not behave in the traditional manner politicians behave. They ascend to leadership positions knowing they'll now be killed. They seemingly do not care...martyrdom and all that. This war is going to last a while.

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All of which was 100% knowable before we decided to attack. This was a completely predictable result.

Bingo

sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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The goals are changing by the minute.

Substantial redefinition of 🇺🇸 war aims by Secretary Hegseth. Regime change is off the table. Complete elimination of all 🇮🇷 conventional military capabilities that can affect the region is now the aim. Weeks of strikes lie ahead in order to achieve this. pic.twitter.com/ycQhjZG84a

— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) March 2, 2026

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Also, see the recent Iranian talking points - never giving up the missile program and not negotiating with the US. These are further signs that we are not fighting a normal enemy. The fact these guys are religious extremists means they are true believers, which means they will not behave in the traditional manner politicians behave. They ascend to leadership positions knowing they'll now be killed. They seemingly do not care...martyrdom and all that. This war is going to last a while.

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All of which was 100% knowable before we decided to attack. This was a completely predictable result.

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Exactly.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming where Trump is finally addressing the American people and talking about his staff's approval ratings during his intro . . . when he's not talking about himself and rambling with anecdotal storytelling.

Totally disagree, everyone has a self-preservation gene to them and does not want to die for the sake of dying. Having families will do that to you.

Diplomacy takes years of effort and showing of good faith intentions. The U.S. has never done this with countries like Iran. Why do we have so much patience with Russia and not Iran in this regard?

SBGold said:

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Totally disagree, everyone has a self-preservation gene to them and does not want to die for the sake of dying. Having families will do that to you.

Diplomacy takes years of effort and showing of good faith intentions. The U.S. has never done this with countries like Iran. Why do we have so much patience with Russia and not Iran in this regard?

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Because Russia isn't ISRAEL.
Think Bibi.

Pretty simple.

Pete Hegseth in 2024: " I've been a recovering neocon for six years now...The foolishness with which we ricocheted around the world intervening, thinking it was in our best interest when really we just overturned the table and created something worse."pic.twitter.com/HFZL6GT5rf

— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) March 2, 2026

Anarchistbear said:

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BREAKING: Spain has banned the US from using its military bases for operations in Iran, per Reuters.

Details include:

1. Spain has condemned US attacks on Iran

2. Flight radar data shows US planes leaving Spanish bases

3. 9 tankers were seen departing the Moron airbase in…

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) March 2, 2026

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Hey, let's cut out the name calling and personal attacks against our airbases.

All our base are belong to us.

Cal88 said:

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Yep.

This is apparently was forced the Trump administration's hand:

Secretary Rubio conveyed to the “Gang of Eight” that the US chose to strike Iran because Israel had already decided to launch an attack beforehand.

The US could either strike Iran alongside Israel or after Iran retaliated against US bases in the region.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/HxTJR3K0tZ

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 2, 2026

Pentagon also worried about this war spiraling out of control.

WaPo: the mood inside the Pentagon is "intense and paranoid"

Pentagon leaders worry the US will expend its air defense stockpiles, and the conflict will "spiral out of control"

This is precisely what Pentagon Joint Chiefs Chair Dan Caine warned of last week pic.twitter.com/bxWuW3RVCv

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) March 2, 2026

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boy, the bus started backing up super quick. Looks like Trump had a case of FOMO.

cal83dls79 said:

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boy, the bus started backing up super quick. Looks like Trump had a case of FOMO.

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Yup.
The "immediate" threat was the FOMO for Trump.

tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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The goals are changing by the minute.

Substantial redefinition of 🇺🇸 war aims by Secretary Hegseth. Regime change is off the table. Complete elimination of all 🇮🇷 conventional military capabilities that can affect the region is now the aim. Weeks of strikes lie ahead in order to achieve this. pic.twitter.com/ycQhjZG84a

— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) March 2, 2026

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Also, see the recent Iranian talking points - never giving up the missile program and not negotiating with the US. These are further signs that we are not fighting a normal enemy. The fact these guys are religious extremists means they are true believers, which means they will not behave in the traditional manner politicians behave. They ascend to leadership positions knowing they'll now be killed. They seemingly do not care...martyrdom and all that. This war is going to last a while.

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Iran's missile program has been their only military dissuasion option. Without that, Israel would bomb them with impunity, just as they have been doing to Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. Israel has violated cease fires over 10,000 times in the last couple of years alone, they have even bombed to oblivion several Christian villages that posed no threat whatsoever.

Friendly reminder that Israel violated the ceasefire with Hezbollah 10,000+ times in the past 1.5years. https://t.co/7mYpdZCHG4 https://t.co/DOh4699q0j pic.twitter.com/I39YdPivPB

— Zachary Foster (@_ZachFoster) March 2, 2026

Israel is run by religious fanatics who want to conquer the entire Levant by divine right, and want to use American blood and treasure for that fanatical plan, which Hegseth and Huckabee, Trump's ambassador to Israel, have actually confirmed and approved.

BREAKING: US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee tells Tucker Carlson that Israel has the Biblical right to take over all of the Middle East.

“It would be fine if they took it all.” pic.twitter.com/BN4fXh03ga

— Tucker Carlson Network (@TCNetwork) February 20, 2026

Cal88 said:

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Israel is run by religious fanatics who want to conquer the entire Levant by divine right

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I mean, let's be honest, so is Iran.

But all the more reason the US shouldn't be getting involved in offensive wars in the region.

sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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Israel is run by religious fanatics who want to conquer the entire Levant by divine right

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I mean, let's be honest, so is Iran.

But all the more reason the US shouldn't be getting involved in offensive wars in the region.

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It's interesting to note that the MAGA movement no longer has any MAGA "principles".

MAGA people like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene got duped that there were actually "principles".
Now they are chastised to the point of being the target of death threats from the people that had supported them.

It now just comes down to loyalty to Trump.

MAGA is whatever Trump says it is.

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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Israel is run by religious fanatics who want to conquer the entire Levant by divine right

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I mean, let's be honest, so is Iran.

But all the more reason the US shouldn't be getting involved in offensive wars in the region.

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It's interesting to note that the MAGA movement no longer has any MAGA "principles".

MAGA people like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene got duped that there were actually "principles".

It now just comes down to loyalty to Trump.

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Always been that way. Everything else was always campaign lies.

And yet the staunchest of Trump supporters here will never admit this.
They'll never even entertain the idea that MAGA principles were nothing but campaign lies.

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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Israel is run by religious fanatics who want to conquer the entire Levant by divine right

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I mean, let's be honest, so is Iran.

But all the more reason the US shouldn't be getting involved in offensive wars in the region.

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It's interesting to note that the MAGA movement no longer has any MAGA "principles".

MAGA people like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene got duped that there were actually "principles".
Now they are chastised to the point of being the target of death threats from the people that had supported them.

It now just comes down to loyalty to Trump.

MAGA is whatever Trump says it is.

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It's because Trump has no actual principles other than "more money and fame for Donald Trump." If Bibi or Lindsey Graham or whoever can convince him that war in Iran will result in that then he'll do it.

sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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Israel is run by religious fanatics who want to conquer the entire Levant by divine right

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I mean, let's be honest, so is Iran.

But all the more reason the US shouldn't be getting involved in offensive wars in the region.

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Iran has not invaded any of its neighbors in our lifetimes, nor do they have a plan for regional conquest.

They have regional allies like Hezbollah in Lebanon, who were created after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, and who repelled Israeli invasion in 2006. If it wasn't for them, Israel would have already started ethnically cleansing and settling southern Lebanon, just as they have been doing in the West Bank, in gross violation of international law.

The Iranians held out their part of the JCPOA agreement, which was one of the positive achievements of the Obama administration in the region, solving the issue of nuclear proliferation in the region. Trump unilaterally scrapped it because his Israel First funders want the US to wage war on Iran.

You passed the quiz

SBGold said:

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You passed the quiz

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Thanks.

And yet we continue to see Trump supporters posting hundreds and hundreds of times in this forum getting involved in all kinds of mental gymnastics to EXPLAIN to us what being MAGA is all about.

lolz

SBGold said:

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How can it not be for regime change? How does Hegseth still have a job if he is stating nonsense like this?

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What's the expression Trump uses for looking the part?
Casting room looks?

DiabloWags said:

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SBGold said:

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How can it not be for regime change? How does Hegseth still have a job if he is stating nonsense like this?

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Sadly, Chairman Dan Caine is the only professional in the room.
Hegseth is a hack.

There's no way that 3 F-15E's should have been shot down due to "friendly" fire.
It smacks of downstream operational incompetence.

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Who fired?
Americans?
Kuwaitis?
Israelis?
Iranians?