Iran. Oh, the irony...

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SBGold said:

It seems pretty reasonable to believe that the cost is 1 billion a day, I would expect it is probably more actually


A figure I saw recently was $770M/day, in operational costs.

WIAF is clearly wrong, ignoring for example the cost of maintenance of jets like the F-35 per sortie, at $40k/hr (in the US, under normal conditions), with hundreds of planes involved every day. The "variable cost" of war is clearly pretty high.

The Vietnam War almost single-handedly broke the Bretton Woods monetary system, and back then weapon systems were much cheaper even adjusting for inflation, for example the cost of firing 1 THAAD rocket ($15M) is equivalent to about a dozen Bell Huey helicopters (around $300k in 1970s money, or $1.5M adjusted for inflation).
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I long for the days of our woke military
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sycasey said:



We need more information here, really, so take the tweet below with a grain of salt.

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chazzed said:

sycasey said:



We need more information here, really, so take the tweet below with a grain of salt.



Uh oh!

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sycasey said:

chazzed said:

sycasey said:



We need more information here, really, so take the tweet below with a grain of salt.



Uh oh!



Yeah, not looking good. And, as usual, the criminals who started this war won't suffer as much as the innocent people killed and maimed. So tragic. Finally, this is going to hit the wallets and pocketbooks of average Americans very hard.
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chazzed said:

sycasey said:

chazzed said:

sycasey said:



We need more information here, really, so take the tweet below with a grain of salt.



Uh oh!



Yeah, not looking good. And, as usual, the criminals who started this war won't suffer as much as the innocent people killed and maimed. So tragic. Finally, this is going to hit the wallets and pocketbooks of average Americans very hard.

The other side of this is that the Pentagon might be planning for a potentially longer war, but that doesn't mean it will for sure happen. Still, not looking good!
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chazzed said:




This is probably not true, just like Cal88's peace prize tweet.
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sycasey said:

chazzed said:

sycasey said:



We need more information here, really, so take the tweet below with a grain of salt.



Uh oh!


I was told on these pages that 4 weeks will be considered successful. Well we know that goal post will be moved.
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chazzed
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Disinformation from MAGA? I don't believe it.
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SBGold said:

When?

You are just wading in and trolling now. I was not seeking to engage in a discussion with you.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN


No I'm calling you out for what you've called others out on. You seem to like to dish it but can't take it as another poster pointed out recently.

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Bingo bongo
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SBGold said:

Well if you did not get any TOs for baseless reasons (though I think I noted a post of yours that deserved one), I would not have expected you to whine about them.

I can handle my own whining, thx


Oh we know you can
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SBGold
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I miss those days, it seems to have gotten progressively worse in our country
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DiabloWags said:


The Atlantic Reported that this figure of $1.0 Billion a day came from a US Congress official.

US congress official: Cost of war on Iran estimated to be a billion dollars daily | Middle East Eye




dead on right. This is a perfect example of cost accounting under a fund system, where costs are a function of use, and not cash flow. You should get this with your business background.
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Why is this necessary? I consider yours a flame post with no meaningful information.

We are trying to talk about Iran here
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SBGold said:

Well if you did not get any TOs for baseless reasons (though I think I noted a post of yours that deserved one), I would not have expected you to whine about them.

I can handle my own whining, thx

No TO's yet. Nor repeatedly crying for any.

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wifeisafurd said:

DiabloWags said:


The Atlantic Reported that this figure of $1.0 Billion a day came from a US Congress official.

US congress official: Cost of war on Iran estimated to be a billion dollars daily | Middle East Eye




dead on right. This is a perfect example of cost accounting under a fund system, where costs are a function of use, and not cash flow. You should get this with your business background.



As I've said before, this is likely to be a big undercount because I doubt they are including the cost of repairing and replacing installations and have been hit, the damage to the radar stations alone to date has been estimated at $3.4B. Even that is probably an undercount as replacement costs are going to be higher than the original costs.
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wifeisafurd said:

DiabloWags said:


The Atlantic Reported that this figure of $1.0 Billion a day came from a US Congress official.

US congress official: Cost of war on Iran estimated to be a billion dollars daily | Middle East Eye




dead on right. This is a perfect example of cost accountingunder a fund system, where costs are a function of use, and not cash flow. You should get this with your business background.


I hated BA120.
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Not everyone gets what they deserve. At least Noem got some of what she deserved today.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN
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If Dem leadership had brains they'd demand Iran War spending has an equal amount added to the Social Security trust fund and the Medicare trust fund
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Cal88
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This kind of reminds me of the hidden costs of war and future outlays due to veterans health issues.
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Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

DiabloWags said:


The Atlantic Reported that this figure of $1.0 Billion a day came from a US Congress official.

US congress official: Cost of war on Iran estimated to be a billion dollars daily | Middle East Eye




dead on right. This is a perfect example of cost accounting under a fund system, where costs are a function of use, and not cash flow. You should get this with your business background.



As I've said before, this is likely to be a big undercount because I doubt they are including the cost of repairing and replacing installations and have been hit, the damage to the radar stations alone to date has been estimated at $3.4B. Even that is probably an undercount as replacement costs are going to be higher than the original costs.

I have not seen that number (NYT says $2 billion), but the concept is correct to the extent the US keeps the bases after the war and actually is paying for them. Host countries in the Middle East (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Quarter, and Kuwait) typically pay for most of the cost of the facilities and the Saudi's for example, also pay $500 million annually in staffing costs. The US almost always pays for operational costs like planes, munitions, etc. So unless there is a policy change, your view is unfounded, as the host countries pay for the bases. I'm willing to provide cites, but you can just google all this. One good source is Al Jazeera, which I'm assuming you consider very credible.

It also works the other way for Israel and Egypt, where the US not only pays its own costs, but also subsidizes their own military costs (this is a little bit misleading since they buy American made weaponry, etc.).Not sure how this all folds out war. Turkey which has been hit is a NATO member, which is a whole different equation.

In the 1991 War with Iraq, Middle Eastern Countries reimbursed the US for a meaningful portion of the war costs. I don't if that approach will be considered in this case.

What some experts are suggesting is that the US will likely reassess its military presence in the region depending on how the present conflict ends.
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DiabloWags said:

wifeisafurd said:

DiabloWags said:


The Atlantic Reported that this figure of $1.0 Billion a day came from a US Congress official.

US congress official: Cost of war on Iran estimated to be a billion dollars daily | Middle East Eye




dead on right. This is a perfect example of cost accountingunder a fund system, where costs are a function of use, and not cash flow. You should get this with your business background.


I hated BA120.


LOL. Then I went to a Big 8 and became a CFO of a public company and I had to live the stuff. Should have gone into finance.
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SBGold said:

Not everyone gets what they deserve. At least Noem got some of what she deserved today.

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVINf

first star is from me
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See WIAF's above posted song
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BearlySane88 said:




There is a large swath of civilian infrastructure that is being destroyed, including a half dozen hospitals, many schools and local landmarks like their main sports arena, I don't think the locals are laughing at this. What you're getting on these curated sites is a false narrative, I don't see how the average person there can be happy with their sports arenas, hospitals and residential districts destroyed.


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wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

DiabloWags said:


The Atlantic Reported that this figure of $1.0 Billion a day came from a US Congress official.

US congress official: Cost of war on Iran estimated to be a billion dollars daily | Middle East Eye




dead on right. This is a perfect example of cost accounting under a fund system, where costs are a function of use, and not cash flow. You should get this with your business background.



As I've said before, this is likely to be a big undercount because I doubt they are including the cost of repairing and replacing installations and have been hit, the damage to the radar stations alone to date has been estimated at $3.4B. Even that is probably an undercount as replacement costs are going to be higher than the original costs.

I have not seen that number (NYT says $2 billion), but the concept is correct to the extent the US keeps the bases after the war and actually is paying for them. Host countries in the Middle East (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Quarter, and Kuwait) typically pay for most of the cost of the facilities and the Saudi's for example, also pay $500 million annually in staffing costs. The US almost always pays for operational costs like planes, munitions, etc. So unless there is a policy change, your view is unfounded, as the host countries pay for the bases. I'm willing to provide cites, but you can just google all this. One good source is Al Jazeera, which I'm assuming you consider very credible.

It also works the other way for Israel and Egypt, where the US not only pays its own costs, but also subsidizes their own military costs (this is a little bit misleading since they buy American made weaponry, etc.).Not sure how this all folds out war. Turkey which has been hit is a NATO member, which is a whole different equation.

In the 1991 War with Iraq, Middle Eastern Countries reimbursed the US for a meaningful portion of the war costs. I don't if that approach will be considered in this case.

What some experts are suggesting is that the US will likely reassess its military presence in the region depending on how the present conflict ends.


Good points on the first two paragraphs.

What makes this war different from 91 is that it is a war of choice, the Gulf people are peed off about this. Sheikdoms like Dubai that have cultivated an image of stability for decades have had their brand severely damaged. They aren't going to be as stoked about footing the bill this time around.

A prominent local figure had this to say in a letter to Trump:



"Who gave you the authority to drag our region into a war with Iran? Who gave you permission to turn our region into a battlefield?"

Al Habtoor's a major figure: billionaire, former diplomat, outspoken political voice in the Gulf. When he talks, UAE leadership's listening.

His questions:

* Was this your decision or Netanyahu's pressure?
* Did you calculate collateral damage before firing?
* You placed GCC countries at the heart of danger they didn't choose
* Your "Board of Peace" initiatives were funded by Gulf states. Now we're getting attacked. Where did that money go?
* You promised no wars. You've conducted operations in 7 countries: Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, Nigeria, Syria, Iran, Venezuela
* 658 airstrikes in your first year back = Biden's entire term (which you criticized)
* War costs $40-65 billion for operations, possibly $210 billion total
* Your approval rating's down 9% in 400 days
* Americans were promised peace. They're getting war funded by their taxes

The sharpest line: "Before the ink has dried on your Board of Peace initiative, we find ourselves facing military escalation that endangers the entire region. So where did those initiatives go?"

Al Habtoor's not some random critic. He's establishment. Connected. When UAE elites start publicly questioning Trump's decision-making, that's America's closest Arab allies saying "we didn't sign up for this."

The letter ends: "True leadership is not measured by war decisions, but by wisdom, respect for others, and pushing toward achieving peace."
DiabloWags
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Trump was interviewed by an Axios reporter today.
Trump told him that he wants to be "involved" when it comes to selection a new leader for IRAN.
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I agree with your comment that the action against Iran is different circumstances than led to the Irag war; hence, my qualified language about any type of reimbursement. There is a lot of discussion about this being a war at Israel's request, but if you look at who benefits if Iran goes away as a player in the region, the primary beneficiary after Israel is Saudi Arabia, and one wonders if the Saudis were not also encouraging this action big time, and thus may have committed to financially support this effort. Just speculation on my part, I have no specific knowledge.
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If you had been living under a brutal regime, I don't think sports facilities being destroyed is a real worry of yours

Nobody is bombing their stadiums just to ruin Iran. If you start using a building or facility for military purposes, it's going to get hit. Not sure why that needs to be explained.
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wifeisafurd said:

I agree with your comment that the action against Iran is different circumstances than led to the Irag war; hence, my qualified language about any type of reimbursement. There is a lot of discussion about this being a war at Israel's request, but if you look at who benefits if Iran goes away as a player in the region, the primary beneficiary after Israel is Saudi Arabia, and one wonders if the Saudis were not also encouraging this action big time, and thus may have committed to financially support this effort. Just speculation on my part, I have no specific knowledge.


Russia has to be a big beneficiary just from higher gas prices
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