BREAKING: The US and Iran have signed the “Memorandum of Understanding” to end the Iran War electronically and it is now in effect, per Axios.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 17, 2026

dajo9 said:

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chazzed said:

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Even more lying by the administration.

Remember when Trump and Hegseth bragged that our Navy was escorting ships through the Strait of Hormuz?

What they were actually doing was bribing Iran to let them through.

Billions by the way. https://t.co/1gqaf4OhLt

— Turnbull (@cturnbull1968) June 15, 2026

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Trump has consistently lied throughout his war. No reason to believe anything he says.

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March 9: "We're now totally independent of the Middle East. We don't need their oil."

April 1: "It doesn't really affect us. We have so much oil. We have tremendous oil and gas, much more than we need."

June 17: If I didn't agree to the MOU, we "would run out of reserves at… pic.twitter.com/CXILKuTRad

— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) June 17, 2026

President Trump’s Iran deal, signed not in Washington or Geneva but at the Palace of Versailles, is meant to inaugurate a new era rather than punish a defeated foe. Versailles once codified an uneasy peace in 1919; Trafalgar, a century earlier, broke Napoleon’s naval power and… https://t.co/So223dJbkJ

— James E. Thorne (@DrJStrategy) June 18, 2026

What a rotten deal we made with Iran. We get nothing (except laughter at our stupidity). They get everything, including delay and big cash!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 24, 2013

Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I cannot describe the degree to which I hate this MOU. Trump got bent over without getting a beer first. You cannot put soldiers lives at risk to end up with this.

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The alternative here is a lot more soldiers (and even more civilian) lives and a global economic crisis.

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I get that point of view. But consider: the "reported" MOU allows Iran to retain the status quo of their nuclear program. Iran promises not to build or procure nukes (we have to trust their promise not to build/buy nukes...which they were already breaking under JCOP). Iran will use "best efforts" to open the straight of Hormutz and they are disallowed from charging fees for 30 days. Support for regional terrorists isn't addressed. Iran's drone and missile programs are not addressed. What happened to the US providing all medical grade nuke materials forever? What happened to SoH being international waters and fees never being allowed? What happened to Iran giving up their nuke program? etc, etc, etc. This is a near total capitulation by the US. And we put people's lives in danger for this? Beyond absurd. F*** Trump.

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Lol

tequila has TDS
Cal88 has TDS

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Seriously, why rail on Trump if today he stops digging and chooses a bad deal over a catastrophic alternative.

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I cannot describe the degree to which I hate this MOU. Trump got bent over without getting a beer first. You cannot put soldiers lives at risk to end up with this.

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The alternative here is a lot more soldiers (and even more civilian) lives and a global economic crisis.

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I get that point of view. But consider: the "reported" MOU allows Iran to retain the status quo of their nuclear program. Iran promises not to build or procure nukes (we have to trust their promise not to build/buy nukes...which they were already breaking under JCOP). Iran will use "best efforts" to open the straight of Hormutz and they are disallowed from charging fees for 30 days. Support for regional terrorists isn't addressed. Iran's drone and missile programs are not addressed. What happened to the US providing all medical grade nuke materials forever? What happened to SoH being international waters and fees never being allowed? What happened to Iran giving up their nuke program? etc, etc, etc. This is a near total capitulation by the US. And we put people's lives in danger for this? Beyond absurd. F*** Trump.

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Lol

tequila has TDS
Cal88 has TDS

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Seriously, why rail on Trump if today he stops digging and chooses a bad deal over a catastrophic alternative.

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Because Trump and some of his supporters are still out there saying the war was a success. Triple Trump supporters like you need to hear it relentlessly that Trump's war was a disaster for America.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Iran has retained 80% of its main offensive military force, its missile and drone arsenal.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Iran has retained 80% of its main offensive military force, its missile and drone arsenal.

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This is some serious Iranian propaganda.

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bearister said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Iran has retained 80% of its main offensive military force, its missile and drone arsenal.

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This is some serious Iranian propaganda.

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How does one determine which side of that conflict has the most credibility?

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• Missiles and Launchers: U.S. intelligence officials estimate that Iran still controls approximately \(70\%\) of its prewar missile inventory, including both ballistic and cruise missiles. Following the April 8 ceasefire, Iran was able to recover a significant amount of launch infrastructure, bringing its operational mobile launchers to around \(60\%\) to \(70\%\) of prewar levels. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Underground Facilities: Intelligence reports show that Iran has regained operational access to nearly \(90\%\) of its nationwide underground missile storage and launch facilities. For example, along the strategic Strait of Hormuz, 30 out of 33 Iranian missile sites are assessed to be partially or fully operational. [1, 2, 3]
• Drone Assets: Estimates vary due to differing operational assessments by U.S. and Israeli military officials, but the consensus shows that Iran still retains at least \(40\%\) of its attack drone capabilities. Following the spring 2026 truce, Tehran has actively resumed and expanded its drone and ballistic missile manufacturing, restocking their reserves with freshly produced munitions, including assistance from foreign dual-use technology. [1, 2, 4]

Cal88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Iran has retained 80% of its main offensive military force, its missile and drone arsenal. If their offensive capabilities had really been diminished, Trump would have never signed what is a very favorable deal for Iran. Also, Iran sits on a territory with an estimated $27 trillion in natural resources, they can rebuild their economy.

Look, I'm all for embellishing and spinning this MOU as this was the best outcome under the circumstances, I won't bash Trump for signing it, to the contrary, but let's not fool ourselves here.

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Iran has retained 80% of its main offensive military force, its missile and drone arsenal. If their offensive capabilities had really been diminished, Trump would have never signed what is a very favorable deal for Iran. Also, Iran sits on a territory with an estimated $27 trillion in natural resources, they can rebuild their economy.

Look, I'm all for embellishing and spinning this MOU as this was the best outcome under the circumstances, I won't bash Trump for signing it, to the contrary, but let's not fool ourselves here.

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Ridiculous, desperately-partisan attempt at spin by some guy named Jared Howe.

Iran's naval and air fleets... lol.

People tend to look at these kinds of situations transactionally (what did we get / what did they get, etc.), but there is an ideological, world diplomacy perspective that might be even more important:

Trump, without seeking the advance buy-in of Congress, the American people, our allies or the United Nations (don't laugh, the UN used to be a thing) launched an attack on a sovereign nation, which resulted in the death (apparently intentional) of 50 of that nation's leaders.

If "we" can do that to another country, seemingly without sufficient reason, doesn't that justify another country doing that to us, just because they want to and they can? (And don't think it would be that difficult: It may be hard to get within 200 yards of the White House or the Capitol, but it isn't that hard to get within 2000 yards. Just go buy some fancy weapons on the black market that would fit in a flatbed truck and... )

We are fostering a world in which every country is free to act as an independent thug. When you are at the top of the heap of nations, you want to discourage those lower on the totem pole from acting asymmetrically, not encourage it.

Obviously, the above argument is a bit too abstract to sway too many American voters (who don't even understand why January 6th and election-denying are bad), but it is important nonetheless.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Trump killed 50 of Iran's top leaders, did at least $1 trillion worth of damage to their military equipment and infrastructure, totally wiped out their naval fleet and air fleets, put their government in a state of endemic internal conflict, and left them totally incapable of…

— Jared Howe (@Jaredhowe) June 18, 2026

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Iran has retained 80% of its main offensive military force, its missile and drone arsenal. If their offensive capabilities had really been diminished, Trump would have never signed what is a very favorable deal for Iran. Also, Iran sits on a territory with an estimated $27 trillion in natural resources, they can rebuild their economy.

Look, I'm all for embellishing and spinning this MOU as this was the best outcome under the circumstances, I won't bash Trump for signing it, to the contrary, but let's not fool ourselves here.

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Obviously, the above argument is a bit too abstract to sway too many American voters (who don't even understand why January 6th and election-denying are bad), but it is important nonetheless.

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VP @JDVance just nuked the warmongers lying about the MOU:

"It's a misrepresentation of the MOU ... the idea that they get benefits before they change their behavior is fundamentally a talking point that is issued by people who want the conflict to continue indefinitely despite… pic.twitter.com/EVcBgSmAH7

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) June 18, 2026

🚨 VP JD Vance says the White House has DIRECTLY told Israel to stop bombing civilian population centers during active peace negotiations:

"What the president has grown frustrated with is when we seem to be on the cusp of a major breakthrough in the agreement, all of a sudden,… pic.twitter.com/770b3HsN4D

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) June 18, 2026

Dwight Way said:

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I think there is a good chance that Iran emerges from this war as an even bigger regional power.

Sanctions lifted, 60 days of selling oil, charging a toll on the 61st day, $25 billion in unfrozen assets, potentially approaching $100 billion total in relief, etc.

Senate Republicans don't seem all that happy either:

"Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave," fumed Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) in a social media post, calling the war and its outcome the "worst foreign policy blunder in decades."

"Iran's nuclear ambitions were not curbed, and they have learned that threatening the Strait of Hormuz works and will undoubtedly leverage it in the future. Now, Iran gets to build brand-new infrastructure under this deal," he wrote on the social platform X.

"Now, 13 Americans are dead, families have paid billions at the pump, sanctions will be lifted, and the bombing has stopped," he continued.

Most concerning to some Senate GOP critics is that the deal will immediately lift sanctions on Iranian oil exports and may lead to the unfreezing of Iranian assets around the world.

"History teaches that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is not a good idea. I think the president is receiving some very poor advice on this deal," said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Senate Republicans raise alarm over Trump's deal with Iran

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Dwight Way said:

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I think there is a good chance that Iran emerges from this war as an even bigger regional power.

Sanctions lifted, 60 days of selling oil, charging a toll on the 61st day, $25 billion in unfrozen assets, potentially approaching $100 billion total in relief, etc.

Senate Republicans don't seem all that happy either:

"Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave," fumed Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) in a social media post, calling the war and its outcome the "worst foreign policy blunder in decades."

"Iran's nuclear ambitions were not curbed, and they have learned that threatening the Strait of Hormuz works and will undoubtedly leverage it in the future. Now, Iran gets to build brand-new infrastructure under this deal," he wrote on the social platform X.

"Now, 13 Americans are dead, families have paid billions at the pump, sanctions will be lifted, and the bombing has stopped," he continued.

Most concerning to some Senate GOP critics is that the deal will immediately lift sanctions on Iranian oil exports and may lead to the unfreezing of Iranian assets around the world.

"History teaches that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is not a good idea. I think the president is receiving some very poor advice on this deal," said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Senate Republicans raise alarm over Trump's deal with Iran

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dajo9 said:

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Dwight Way said:

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I think there is a good chance that Iran emerges from this war as an even bigger regional power.

Sanctions lifted, 60 days of selling oil, charging a toll on the 61st day, $25 billion in unfrozen assets, potentially approaching $100 billion total in relief, etc.

Senate Republicans don't seem all that happy either:

"Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave," fumed Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) in a social media post, calling the war and its outcome the "worst foreign policy blunder in decades."

"Iran's nuclear ambitions were not curbed, and they have learned that threatening the Strait of Hormuz works and will undoubtedly leverage it in the future. Now, Iran gets to build brand-new infrastructure under this deal," he wrote on the social platform X.

"Now, 13 Americans are dead, families have paid billions at the pump, sanctions will be lifted, and the bombing has stopped," he continued.

Most concerning to some Senate GOP critics is that the deal will immediately lift sanctions on Iranian oil exports and may lead to the unfreezing of Iranian assets around the world.

"History teaches that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is not a good idea. I think the president is receiving some very poor advice on this deal," said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Senate Republicans raise alarm over Trump's deal with Iran

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The Iranian regime is now stronger than it has ever been because of Trump

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Cal88 said:

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You are showing your naivety here, no comparison whatsoever between Venezuela and Iran, drastically different geography, governments and military capabilities.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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You are showing your naivety here, no comparison whatsoever between Venezuela and Iran, drastically different geography, governments and military capabilities.

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You missed my point entirely. It's not a comparison of the two places. It's to highlight our military prowess.

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You are showing your naivety here, no comparison whatsoever between Venezuela and Iran, drastically different geography, governments and military capabilities.

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You missed my point entirely. It's not a comparison of the two places. It's to highlight our military prowess.

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Dwight Way said:

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I think there is a good chance that Iran emerges from this war as an even bigger regional power.

Sanctions lifted, 60 days of selling oil, charging a toll on the 61st day, $25 billion in unfrozen assets, potentially approaching $100 billion total in relief, etc.

Senate Republicans don't seem all that happy either:

"Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave," fumed Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) in a social media post, calling the war and its outcome the "worst foreign policy blunder in decades."

"Iran's nuclear ambitions were not curbed, and they have learned that threatening the Strait of Hormuz works and will undoubtedly leverage it in the future. Now, Iran gets to build brand-new infrastructure under this deal," he wrote on the social platform X.

"Now, 13 Americans are dead, families have paid billions at the pump, sanctions will be lifted, and the bombing has stopped," he continued.

Most concerning to some Senate GOP critics is that the deal will immediately lift sanctions on Iranian oil exports and may lead to the unfreezing of Iranian assets around the world.

"History teaches that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is not a good idea. I think the president is receiving some very poor advice on this deal," said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Senate Republicans raise alarm over Trump's deal with Iran

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The Iranian regime is now stronger than it has ever been because of Trump

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This is an absolutely baseless and untrue statement.

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Dwight Way said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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You are showing your naivety here, no comparison whatsoever between Venezuela and Iran, drastically different geography, governments and military capabilities.

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You missed my point entirely. It's not a comparison of the two places. It's to highlight our military prowess.

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I don't think anyone really questions the military prowess of the United States.
That's not being questioned here.

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Dwight Way said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Dwight Way said:

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I think there is a good chance that Iran emerges from this war as an even bigger regional power.

Sanctions lifted, 60 days of selling oil, charging a toll on the 61st day, $25 billion in unfrozen assets, potentially approaching $100 billion total in relief, etc.

Senate Republicans don't seem all that happy either:

"Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave," fumed Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) in a social media post, calling the war and its outcome the "worst foreign policy blunder in decades."

"Iran's nuclear ambitions were not curbed, and they have learned that threatening the Strait of Hormuz works and will undoubtedly leverage it in the future. Now, Iran gets to build brand-new infrastructure under this deal," he wrote on the social platform X.

"Now, 13 Americans are dead, families have paid billions at the pump, sanctions will be lifted, and the bombing has stopped," he continued.

Most concerning to some Senate GOP critics is that the deal will immediately lift sanctions on Iranian oil exports and may lead to the unfreezing of Iranian assets around the world.

"History teaches that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is not a good idea. I think the president is receiving some very poor advice on this deal," said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Senate Republicans raise alarm over Trump's deal with Iran

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The Iranian regime is now stronger than it has ever been because of Trump

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This is an absolutely baseless and untrue statement.

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Why would his statement be "baseless and untrue" when Iran just showed the world that it can disrupt and cripple the world economy by leveraging the Strait of Hormuz to their fullest advantage?

If that doesn't make them stronger on the world stage, I don't know what does.

Trump had no answer for the Strait.
And clearly there was never a realistic plan to keep it open given how problematic that would be.

There are a number of very good reasons why IRAN could very well come out of this stronger.
To simply dismiss or discount the power that they held over the world economy would be terribly naive.

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BearlySane88 said:

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Dwight Way said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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You are showing your naivety here, no comparison whatsoever between Venezuela and Iran, drastically different geography, governments and military capabilities.

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You missed my point entirely. It's not a comparison of the two places. It's to highlight our military prowess.

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I don't think anyone really questions the military prowess of the United States.
That's not being questioned here.

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Then why would we doubt that the US, combined with Israel, would only be capable of destroying 20% of Iran's military complex with all of the bombs dropped?

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Dwight Way said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Dwight Way said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Cal88 said:

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You are showing your naivety here, no comparison whatsoever between Venezuela and Iran, drastically different geography, governments and military capabilities.

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You missed my point entirely. It's not a comparison of the two places. It's to highlight our military prowess.

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I don't think anyone really questions the military prowess of the United States.
That's not being questioned here.

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Then why would we doubt that the US, combined with Israel, would only be capable of destroying 20% of Iran's military complex with all of the bombs dropped?

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It should be readily apparent by now that IRAN is extremely good at asymetric warfare.

They've had two decades to study the defeats of the US military to their immediate east and west.
They have learned from that.

Their capital was bombed into oblivion, yet that didn't prevent them from multiple missile strikes on other nations in the region. Even Pete Hegseth misspoke when he claimed air superiority . . . only to see an F15E and an A10 get shot down within hours of each other.

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