Iran. Oh, the irony...

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dajo9
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Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0
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oski003
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dajo9 said:

Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0


I don't see any info in the article indicating these two soldiers are being denied medical treatment.
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0


I don't see any info in the article indicating these two soldiers are being denied medical treatment.


Because it's not in there. It clearly says both are being treated. More nothing burgers.
dajo9
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BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0


I don't see any info in the article indicating these two soldiers are being denied medical treatment.


Because it's not in there. It clearly says both are being treated. More nothing burgers.

Yes, I see that article doesn't reference what I said. I heard that in a podcast and I will follow up. Here is the originally sourced article from CBS, which says:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wounded-soldiers-families-accuse-army-downplaying-war-injuries/
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The Bearmans are also among several survivors and their families who told CBS News they weren't being treated by the military as combat casualties for reasons they could not understand

I will try to get more information on what that means. The podcast said they were being denied certain evaluations.
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Big C
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dajo9 said:

BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0


I don't see any info in the article indicating these two soldiers are being denied medical treatment.


Because it's not in there. It clearly says both are being treated. More nothing burgers.

Yes, I see that article doesn't reference what I said. I heard that in a podcast and I will follow up. Here is the originally sourced article from CBS, which says:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wounded-soldiers-families-accuse-army-downplaying-war-injuries/
Quote:

The Bearmans are also among several survivors and their families who told CBS News they weren't being treated by the military as combat casualties for reasons they could not understand

I will try to get more information on what that means. The podcast said they were being denied certain evaluations.

I guess CBS caught so much s*** for kowtowing to Trump that their new strategy is to try straddling the fence now and then.
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dajo9 said:

BearlySane88 said:



Poor Trump. So bad with dementia that he doesn't know what is in the agreement he signed just last week. The terms that we can all read with our own eyes that contradict what Trump is saying here.

It must be dementia, as his well-earned reputation is as "Honest Don".

I'm sure that, if they carefully explain the situation to him, he will retract his statement, in the name of accuracy and integrity.
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Big C said:

dajo9 said:

BearlySane88 said:



Poor Trump. So bad with dementia that he doesn't know what is in the agreement he signed just last week. The terms that we can all read with our own eyes that contradict what Trump is saying here.

It must be dementia, as his well-earned reputation is as "Honest Don".

I'm sure that, if they carefully explain the situation to him, he will retract his statement, in the name of accuracy and integrity.


Apparently, both he and JD Vance don't seem to know what Point #10 of the MOU says:

"The United States of America undertakes that immediately after the signing of this MOU, and until the termination of sanctions, the U.S. Department of Treasury will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all associated services including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc."

Oil sanctions would be lifted for at least the 60-day period of negotiations, which Iran will try to extend. Trump has already said he's open to an extension, and he has reason to agree rather than risk the collapse of talks and closure of the Strait in advance of midterms.

Even Barack Obama's 2015 nuclear deal didn't fully waive oil sanctions until after inspectors verified that Iran had implemented its nuclear commitments. This memorandum and the lifting of the U.S. blockade through which several million barrels of Iranian crude have since passed will allow Iranian oil exports worth billions of dollars a month.

"If they don't do as told, they get nothing" . . . narrative is 100% FALSE.
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Big C said:

> I guess CBS caught so much s*** for kowtowing to Trump that their new strategy is to try straddling the fence now and then.

singalong..


oversharing twofer ps.. last night we finally watched a library dvd of the oscar nominated disney flick "Lilo & Stitch", mostly (?) filmed in Florida. Big surprise.. hated it. go figure, late great ebert disagreed..
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/lilo-and-stitch-2002
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smh said:

Big C said:

> I guess CBS caught so much s*** for kowtowing to Trump that their new strategy is to try straddling the fence now and then.

singalong..


oversharing twofer ps.. last night we finally watched a library dvd of the oscar nominated disney flick "Lilo & Stitch", mostly (?) filmed in Florida. Big surprise.. hated it. go figure, late great ebert disagreed..
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/lilo-and-stitch-2002

I have yet to have my own "I need to watch Lilo and stitch moment". I won't fall for it. Thanks in advance.
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cal83dls79 said:

I have yet to have my own "I need to watch Lilo and stitch moment". I won't fall for it. Thanks in advance.

fair enough 83dls, honestly not trying to trick folks
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Love the TRUTH!!
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That's a great line! Wish I'd thought of it.
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grab from today's "funny" pages..
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Who could have seen this coming?

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I heard that Jared Kushner and Don Jr were big buyers of stock-index contracts on Friday.
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DiabloWags said:

I heard that Jared Kushner and Don Jr were big buyers of stock-index contracts on Friday.

that Albanian project is in need of additional grift hence the capital raise
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Cal88
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cal83dls79 said:

DiabloWags said:

I heard that Jared Kushner and Don Jr were big buyers of stock-index contracts on Friday.


that Albanian project is in need of additional grift hence the capital raise


That project is in trouble, huge protests in a country with a population under 3M.


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DiabloWags said:

I heard that Jared Kushner and Don Jr were big buyers of stock-index contracts on Friday.


You know, the instances we suspect have got to be only the tiniest tip of the iceberg. Just think of all the times Trump has said something that caused the market to go up or down, or just flat-out taken bribes. It really does boggle the mind.
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Read this update from Greg
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/135123
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The ultimate ramification from the Iran conflict, however, will be a major erosion of U.S. credibility in current and future confrontations with America's other major adversaries: China, Russia and North Korea. All have witnessed Trump's lack of staying power in any actual or potential kinetic confrontation.

He has repeatedly demonstrated his willingness to exercise American military power, but only if it happens alongside a braver, more relentless, U.S. ally, like Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel, or if it involves a quick, "clean" action like the Qasem Soleimani and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killings, the capture of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro, or the initial "obliteration" of Iran's nuclear facilities.

All those military actions achieved dramatic results with a limited application of violence an efficient, prudent and highly desirable method of gaining a military objective. But Trump has proved equally adept at redefining or simply abandoning the original objectives. His performance in Ukraine, Venezuela and Iran reveal that he lacks the vision and tenacity to sustain prolonged military confrontations, even if they are not kinetic.

It is why the theoretical second exchange of hostilities with China, which prides itself on strategic patience and cold-blooded disregard for human costs, will be the determinative test of will in a conflict over Taiwan. Putting at risk the things Beijing ultimately cares about its international reputation as a triumphant rising power, and its iron hold on domestic power will ultimately be the only imperative that will moderate Beijing's behavior.
The limited war with Iran has also revealed a strategic vulnerability of the United States and the West: the precarious economic exposure of maritime straits, literal chokeholds on international trade through which most of the world's commerce flows.

The Taiwan Strait's critical role in the shipping of 20 percent of goods and material from Asia especially Taiwan's high-quality computer chips is as critical to the global economy as the flow of mid-Eastern oil through the Strait of Hormuz. As Iran has shown, the high-tech systems modern militaries have at their disposal do not eliminate threats in narrow, constricted waterways from rudimentary conventional weapons like sea mines and swarm boats. The Panama and Suez Canals are even more subject to sabotage and naval blockage.

Deterrence and defensive clearance measures will be needed against an adversary's asymmetric operations. They should be accompanied by a credible U.S. commitment to escalate as necessary to defend vital U.S. and Western interests. Trump must wield his unorthodox diplomatic and deal-making skills to convince our allies of the need to cooperate fully in collective defense planning in advance of the threat, not after kinetics are already imminent or underway. NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, who said he greatly admires Trump's decisive leadership qualities, would be a willing, capable and supportive partner.


The Trump administration needs to finish the task of regime change in Iran, so that one major hostile player can be removed from the equation.


Opinion - Trump's war with Iran has exposed America's vulnerabilities
Cal88
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DiabloWags said:



The ultimate ramification from the Iran conflict, however, will be a major erosion of U.S. credibility in current and future confrontations with America's other major adversaries: China, Russia and North Korea. All have witnessed Trump's lack of staying power in any actual or potential kinetic confrontation.

He has repeatedly demonstrated his willingness to exercise American military power, but only if it happens alongside a braver, more relentless, U.S. ally, like Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel, or if it involves a quick, "clean" action like the Qasem Soleimani and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killings, the capture of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro, or the initial "obliteration" of Iran's nuclear facilities.

All those military actions achieved dramatic results with a limited application of violence an efficient, prudent and highly desirable method of gaining a military objective. But Trump has proved equally adept at redefining or simply abandoning the original objectives. His performance in Ukraine, Venezuela and Iran reveal that he lacks the vision and tenacity to sustain prolonged military confrontations, even if they are not kinetic.

It is why the theoretical second exchange of hostilities with China, which prides itself on strategic patience and cold-blooded disregard for human costs, will be the determinative test of will in a conflict over Taiwan. Putting at risk the things Beijing ultimately cares about its international reputation as a triumphant rising power, and its iron hold on domestic power will ultimately be the only imperative that will moderate Beijing's behavior.
The limited war with Iran has also revealed a strategic vulnerability of the United States and the West: the precarious economic exposure of maritime straits, literal chokeholds on international trade through which most of the world's commerce flows.

The Taiwan Strait's critical role in the shipping of 20 percent of goods and material from Asia especially Taiwan's high-quality computer chips is as critical to the global economy as the flow of mid-Eastern oil through the Strait of Hormuz. As Iran has shown, the high-tech systems modern militaries have at their disposal do not eliminate threats in narrow, constricted waterways from rudimentary conventional weapons like sea mines and swarm boats. The Panama and Suez Canals are even more subject to sabotage and naval blockage.

Deterrence and defensive clearance measures will be needed against an adversary's asymmetric operations. They should be accompanied by a credible U.S. commitment to escalate as necessary to defend vital U.S. and Western interests. Trump must wield his unorthodox diplomatic and deal-making skills to convince our allies of the need to cooperate fully in collective defense planning in advance of the threat, not after kinetics are already imminent or underway. NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, who said he greatly admires Trump's decisive leadership qualities, would be a willing, capable and supportive partner.


The Trump administration needs to finish the task of regime change in Iran, so that one major hostile player can be removed from the equation.


Opinion - Trump's war with Iran has exposed America's vulnerabilities



FYI this is the uber-neocon critique of Trump's war on Iran, criticizing him for not being "committed to escalate" and that he should work more closely " alongside a braver, more relentless, U.S. ally, like Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel".
 
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