Oil spiked just 8% since the start of the bombing, not $80-$100 as predicted, because the U.S. is producing record-breaking 13.6M barrels/day.

SBGold said:

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Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

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Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..

BREAKING: Tehran under intense bombardment

pic.twitter.com/E7pAwfDPWf

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) March 3, 2026

BREAKING: A BALLISTIC MISSILE HAS JUST HIT THE LARGEST US BASE IN THE REGION: There have been no casualties reported as of right now.

"Qatar says an Iranian ballistic missile has struck Al Udeid Air Base, as I said, the biggest American base in the region." pic.twitter.com/r0XSV4C9AP

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) March 4, 2026

BREAKING: CIA station at the US Embassy compound in Riyadh is hit in a drone attack, source says. | @JenGriffinFNC pic.twitter.com/ar6kWuy4yI

— Fox News (@FoxNews) March 3, 2026

Boom!!

Anarchistbear said:

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BREAKING: Tehran under intense bombardment

pic.twitter.com/E7pAwfDPWf

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) March 3, 2026

BREAKING: A BALLISTIC MISSILE HAS JUST HIT THE LARGEST US BASE IN THE REGION: There have been no casualties reported as of right now.

"Qatar says an Iranian ballistic missile has struck Al Udeid Air Base, as I said, the biggest American base in the region." pic.twitter.com/r0XSV4C9AP

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) March 4, 2026

BREAKING: CIA station at the US Embassy compound in Riyadh is hit in a drone attack, source says. | @JenGriffinFNC pic.twitter.com/ar6kWuy4yI

— Fox News (@FoxNews) March 3, 2026

Boom!!

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Gotta love those symbolic victories.

"It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza."

The casualty figures I have seen for Gaza are over 70,000 Palestinians killed (20,000 of those children) and 170,000 wounded.

Do you believe you have to be a "lefty" to question the proportionately of that response to the October 7 attacks?

Do you think Bibi intends to wage war on the West Bank?

How would you all feel about this?

And there it is … pic.twitter.com/ess2h7EYUa

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) March 4, 2026

NO

pic.twitter.com/TWmj8zkL5D

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) March 3, 2026

chazzed said:

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It's a three-ring circus.

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That's because you're getting filtered clips from Aaron Rupar.

bearister said:

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"It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza."

The casualty figures I have seen for Gaza are over 70,000 Palestinians killed (20,000 of those children) and 170,000 wounded.

Do you believe you have to be a "lefty" to question the proportionately of that response to the October 7 attacks?

Do you think Bibi intends to wage war on the West Bank?

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You seem to misconstrue my comments about accusations of misconduct with proportionality. I think when those with bigger weapons attack, things become disproportionate real quickly. You witness that in modern warfare, as you will come to appreciate over the next month. It is telling that some people on this thread already are making a big deal over Iran attacks that cause limited or no casualties, as Tehran gets pulverized. That said, I don't trust the numbers you cite or think much of the pity remarks and back and forth accusations that appear in the thread on what happened in Gaza. You can read this article from "lefty" NPR abut all the BS you guys shoveled against each other.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-misinformation-about-israel-and-gaza-has-evolved-in-the-yearlong-war


As to what I actually was talking about, the views you can fight a sanitary war may seem rational to those self righteous lefty agencies that made all this noise about genocide and other war crimes by Israel in Gaza and now already are labeling the US is acting the same way in Iran. Sorry, but that isn't the way wars actually work, as the two presently ongoing major conflicts in Europe and Iran will attest.

Is it disproportionate or genocide when the US takes out a government and army with a history of crushing political dissent with force, leading to [fill in a number from your definitive sources] thousands of deaths and imprisonments while killing civilians in the process? Sounds like a value judgment has to be made. Just like dropping nuclear bombs on Japan and killing maybe 150,000 to 200,000 civilians, or fire bombing around 25,000 civilians to death in a German city over a few nights, or a long list of other things this county has undertaken in military action. Combat operations have significant, often unintended, major impacts on non-combatants. I guess you have to ask yourself it is worth it, without really having much in the way of accurate information to make a judgment. Or maybe you think you know better than everyone else.

While military interventions in the Middle East in some cases have successfully removed specific hostile regimes or groups and disrupted specific terrorist networks, they have simultaneously created long-term instability, massive human displacement and civilian casualties, and power vacuums that allowed extremist groups to emerge. I guess we shall see if this acton becomes the first military incursion in my lifetime that creates peace in the Middle East. Somehow I doubt it, and as mentioned before, things could get worse.

I have no idea if Bibi intends to attack or retaliate against the West Bank, but I'm sure you will tell me.

wifeisafurd said:

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SBGold said:

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Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

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Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..

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This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.

The US and the israelis have just murdered 24 school girls illegally and precisely bombing their elementary school building in Minab city in Iran.

# Teheran , Kamala Harris , Greater Israel , USS Liberty # pic.twitter.com/7WsolHtvTY

— Apartheid Review (@ApartheidReview) February 28, 2026

map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:

A Funeral for a classroom.

Over 160 children killed, aged 7 to 12, massacred in the US-Israeli illegal airstrike on Shajareh Tayyibeh girls' school in Minab, Iran.

Backpacks to coffins. Desks to dust. Trump and Netanyahu are war criminalspic.twitter.com/AOYTxqZJH0

— Claudia Webbe (@ClaudiaWebbe) March 3, 2026

These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.

"I guess we shall see if this acton becomes the first military incursion in my lifetime that creates peace in the Middle East. Somehow I doubt it….."

I doubt it too. Based on the circumstantial evidence thus far, I see nothing that would lead me to believe this Administration has the competence to even begin to achieve such an elusive and lofty goal.

*Remember, Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocon posse envisioned that the Invasion of Iraq would launch the 1000 year Pax Americana.

Trump seems to have more of a "plan" for the Ballroom than this war.

Iranian drone strikes are already down around 70% from the beginning of this operation

Do you think Trump ever oversold these lads on his ability to protect them from Iranian missiles and drones?

Middle East war could be decided by who runs out of missiles or interceptors first, analysts say | US-Israel war on Iran | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/middle-east-war-decided-interceptors-missiles

Oh, well…

brobear said:

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Iranian drone strikes are already down around 70% from the beginning of this operation

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Source?

bearister said:

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"I guess we shall see if this acton becomes the first military incursion in my lifetime that creates peace in the Middle East. Somehow I doubt it….."

I doubt it too. Based on the circumstantial evidence thus far, I see nothing that would lead me to believe this Administration has the competence to even begin to achieve such an elusive and lofty goal.

*Remember, Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocon posse envisioned that the Invasion of Iraq would launch the 1000 year Pax Americana.

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Thank you for your post. I do remember Iraq.

This from a Brown University study which was widely reported on in such sites as the NYT and WSJ:

"With most documented counts placing the number between 100,000 and over 200,000 directly due to violence. Higher estimates, including indirect deaths from infrastructure collapse and disease, suggest total casualties in Iraq may be significantly higher, with some studies estimating over 400,000 to over a million total" Does this fit your description of disproportionality? Did the US commit war crimes or genocide, or do we get a pass blowing the crap out of the country for months with our supposed precision bombing while Israel is taken to the woodshed.

I see already in posts by '88 expecting a sanitary war that is not going to happen. Iraq occured not long ago when we used sophisticated precision weapons. Why all the civilian casualties:

We bomb high value targets regardless of possible civilian loss of life.

We bomb these days based on technology that really doesn't consider whose on the ground once initiated.

We bomb and attack based on intelligence which may faulty or outdated, especially when being reactive to and guessing what the enemy is doing.

We give people on the ground the ability fire back with overwhelming force and that response by the very nature of war is indiscriminate.

We is the US, UK, France, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

Conflicts are increasingly fought in populated cities, placing civilians in the immediate line of fire. Weapons like artillery, airstrikes, and drones with wide-area effects (including cluster munitions) inherently result in high collateral damage. We are blowing large chunks of Tehran. Malcom Gladwell did us a great disservice by quoting a bunch of bragging military brass that said because their weaponry was so precise that we can have sanitized war. And so starting this misguiding notion about sanitized precise war is fought with minimal civilian causalities. They were wrong as 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians suggests. As whatever the large number of civilian casualties in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, etc.. where modern weaponry still left to massive human casualties.

Indirect deaths from hunger, disease, and medical shortages often exceed direct combat casualties, often driven by a disregard for civilian life by the people running the area being attacked.

If you can't stand the loss of innocent lives, don't get into a war.

So, you f'd up and trusted propaganda?

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever

DiabloWags said:

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The Strait of Hormuz.

25% of all the world's oil moved through this strait last year.
20% of the world's LNG moved through this strait last year.

84% of it heads to Asia.
43% of that goes to China.

The Strait of Hormuz is the world's most important oil transit chokepoint - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Iran could disrupt the Strait of Hormuz with drones for months

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Trump's going to protect shipments to China- very benevolent

Cal88 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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SBGold said:

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Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

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Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..

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This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.

The US and the israelis have just murdered 24 school girls illegally and precisely bombing their elementary school building in Minab city in Iran.

# Teheran , Kamala Harris , Greater Israel , USS Liberty # pic.twitter.com/7WsolHtvTY

— Apartheid Review (@ApartheidReview) February 28, 2026

map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:

A Funeral for a classroom.

Over 160 children killed, aged 7 to 12, massacred in the US-Israeli illegal airstrike on Shajareh Tayyibeh girls' school in Minab, Iran.

Backpacks to coffins. Desks to dust. Trump and Netanyahu are war criminalspic.twitter.com/AOYTxqZJH0

— Claudia Webbe (@ClaudiaWebbe) March 3, 2026

These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.

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Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..

DiabloWags said:

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brobear said:

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Iranian drone strikes are already down around 70% from the beginning of this operation

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Source?

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https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-drone-missile-activity-drops-us-pushes-for-air-superiority-2026-3

SBGold said:

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So, you f'd up and trusted propaganda?

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE GAVIN

Go Bears Forever

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No you f'ed up and believed the guy? Take a closer look at the sources. Tell me about that precision missile that hit a targeted school in its cross hairs.

Should we trust the (Don't Call It a) War Department on this one?

They said they had complete control on Saturday https://t.co/ZS6vYvwe7g

— 🏴‍☠️ (@calvinfroedge) March 4, 2026

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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4.3-magnitude earthquake strikes Gerash, Iran.

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Propagandist!

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"

Don't listen to facts, it's about feel

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"

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Another cool story.



How have Iran strikes affected Trump approval rating? See US, PA polls