Iran. Oh, the irony...

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sycasey
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BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.

We heard a lot about Joe Biden being mad at Bibi too, but . . .
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


Last couple of times Trump told Bibi to stop bombing Lebanon, nothing happened. I hope the third is a charm and this is not just kabuki theater, we'll find out soon.

Also, Iran has directly threatened Israel if they don't stop bombing Lebanon, that might be a more dissuasive threat to the Israelis, who can't stop Iranian missiles.
Cal88
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bearister said:

cal83dls79 said:

chazzed said:

Is it a bad sign when the person who started the war is bored with it?



leaky pools and fight cages is where it's at man!

Napkins, ballrooms and images on money.



I used to collect vintage bills. The ones from Africa are the most beautiful ones, very colorful, with nice traditional art pieces, mugshots of locals, or impressive local fauna. Don't have any Idi Ugandan notes though, but the older notes (pre-70s) had a definite colonial angle.








Baobabs and impalas

















Not too far off Africa, this Maldives bill is one of the most beautiful recent bills:



Many of the older bills from the French African monetary system, as well as most French bills from the postwar era 60s through the 80s, were drawn and designed by this very talented artist, Pierrette Lambert, here are some good ones:











French Polynesia:




https://numismag.com/fr/2019/10/12/interview-de-pierrette-lambert-40-ans-de-creation-de-billets-de-banque-catalogue-des-ses-creations/












DiabloWags
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Very cool.
Thanks for posting.
Big C
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BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.

too bad it took him 100+ days to figure this out
cal83dls79
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Cal88 said:

bearister said:

cal83dls79 said:

chazzed said:

Is it a bad sign when the person who started the war is bored with it?



leaky pools and fight cages is where it's at man!

Napkins, ballrooms and images on money.



I used to collect vintage bills. The ones from Africa are the most beautiful ones, very colorful, with nice traditional art pieces, mugshots of locals, or impressive local fauna. Don't have any Idi Ugandan notes though, but the older notes (pre-70s) had a definite colonial angle.








Baobabs and impalas

















Not too far off Africa, this Maldives bill is one of the most beautiful recent bills:



Many of the older bills from the French African monetary system, as well as most French bills from the postwar era 60s through the 80s, were drawn and designed by this very talented artist, Pierrette Lambert, here are some good ones:











French Polynesia:




https://numismag.com/fr/2019/10/12/interview-de-pierrette-lambert-40-ans-de-creation-de-billets-de-banque-catalogue-des-ses-creations/













cool collection, I've got some crazy stamps from that era that those countries were printing
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dajo9
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BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


Israel kills 8 in Lebanon

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-trump-talks-airstrikes-beirut-9fe4fc031a64e079c84f42ea28718aa9
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Pretty much all of the prominent voices who supported the Iran War assured us it would be over by now. None of them will admit they were wrong. Even less will they admit that their initial assurances were based on nothing but their own wishcasting. This whole ****show has been an enormous waste of time and resources and our country has not benefited from it at all. Its advocates have moved the goal posts repeatedly and have even to this day refused to clearly articulate what constitutes a victory and how we'll know that it's been achieved.


Netanyahu's comments further demonstrates two fundamental truths that the Trump administration is not addressing:

1. We have fundamentally different objectives in Iran & the region than Israel does. Israel is determined to take out all threats & rivals, from Iran to Lebanon. They are comfortable with a brutal drawn out conflict. We are not, we want a deal with Iran & the SOH open. Our interests in Lebanon are very limited, we don't want Israel's war with Hezbollah to interfere in our negotiations with Iran.
We can't be partners with a country that's has an entirely different objective than we do.

2. Iran believes they are winning by keeping control of the SOH & using Hezbollah in Lebanon, there is no lasting military solutions to either of these problems and we can't win at the negotiating table with Iran controlling these two factors.

The best course of action is to walk away, deprive Iran of U.S. targets & their justification for their aggression in the Gulf & Lebanon. With Iran, use sanctions relief as a carrot to eventually get concessions once the SOH has reopened.

With Israel, drastically limit the military assistance we provide them to force them off the offense.
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Muckieeye
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BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


I'll take "Performative Nonsense that Republicans will slurp up like pablum" for $500, Alex.
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oski003
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Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


I'll take "Performative Nonsense that Republicans will slurp up like pablum" for $500, Alex.


Banned poster aunbear89 used to use the term "slurp" to insult folks a lot.
Cal88
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Not much doubt about the Bibi kerfuffle being a charade at this point.

oski003
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Cal88 said:

Not much doubt about the Bibi kerfuffle being a charade at this point.




Which of the following occured?

1) Israel destroyed a hospital because of a mistargeted or errant missile;

2) Israel intentionally destroyed a hospital because it was a Hezbollah operating center; or

3) Israel intentionally destroyed a peaceful hospital because they will do anything to expand territory?
bearister
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"The best course of action is to walk away, deprive Iran of U.S. targets & their justification for their aggression in the Gulf & Lebanon."

Following the October 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, President Reagan authorized aggressive self-defense, dispatched the battleship New Jersey, ordered a military fact-finding committee (the Long Commission), and ultimately withdrew the remaining U.S. Marines from Lebanon in early 1984.

When Do Leaders Change Course? Theories of Success and the American Withdrawal from Beirut, 1983-1984 - Texas National Security Review https://tnsr.org/2019/02/when-do-leaders-change-course-theories-of-success-and-the-american-withdrawal-from-beirut-1983-1984/
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Muckieeye
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oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


I'll take "Performative Nonsense that Republicans will slurp up like pablum" for $500, Alex.


Banned poster aunbear89 used to use the term "slurp" to insult folks a lot.


Curious that you should have such a long memory for such things. I wonder why…

Are you a AunBear89 Fanboy along with Yogi Sockpuppet and 2034/Pac 10/BearFarce?
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
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oski003
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Muckieeye said:

oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


I'll take "Performative Nonsense that Republicans will slurp up like pablum" for $500, Alex.


Banned poster aunbear89 used to use the term "slurp" to insult folks a lot.


Curious that you should have such a long memory for such things. I wonder why…

Are you a AunBear89 Fanboy along with Yogi Sockpuppet and 2034/Pac 10/BearFarce?


It is a unique term that nobody really uses and that poster really scared me with how unhinged he was.
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Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
-John Stewart Mill
oski003
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Muckieeye said:




It is not being a snow flake when the poster repeatedly sends vulgar messages to your inbox and similar stuff on the forum itself.


Here is a sample message that poster pm'd me more than once. I am glad he is gone.

"How do you kiss your wife with both Trump and Musk's ..
in your mouth?

You shameless hypocrite, whining to the BI mods like the little MAGA baby you are when your feelings get hurt, but regularly spewing personal attacks at all the loony libs."



I am glad the mods booted that terrible child poster. Regardless, that is in the past. Let's focus on the future and try to stay on topic and not attack current posters.

I hope this war winds down, and a peace agreement is signed soon.
Cal88
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oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


I'll take "Performative Nonsense that Republicans will slurp up like pablum" for $500, Alex.


Banned poster aunbear89 used to use the term "slurp" to insult folks a lot.


Curious that you should have such a long memory for such things. I wonder why…

Are you a AunBear89 Fanboy along with Yogi Sockpuppet and 2034/Pac 10/BearFarce?


It is a unique term that nobody really uses and that poster really scared me with how unhinged he was.


Flagged.
Cal88
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BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

BearlySane88 said:



So much for Trump doing whatever Israel and Bibi want.


I'll take "Performative Nonsense that Republicans will slurp up like pablum" for $500, Alex.


Banned poster aunbear89 used to use the term "slurp" to insult folks a lot.


Curious that you should have such a long memory for such things. I wonder why…

Are you a AunBear89 Fanboy along with Yogi Sockpuppet and 2034/Pac 10/BearFarce?


It is a unique term that nobody really uses and that poster really scared me with how unhinged he was.


Flagged.


Read the messages Oski posted, unhinged seems like a massive understatement
Muckieeye
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Tell me you've made up your own definition of "unhinged" without saying "I don't know what words mean."
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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
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oski003
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Muckieeye said:

Tell me you've made up your own definition of "unhinged" without saying "I don't know what words mean."


Unhinged: highly disturbed, unstable, or distraught
Muckieeye
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All fine examples of MAGA projection and deflection. Thanks for sharing your playbook.
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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.
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BearlySane88
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oski003 said:

Muckieeye said:

Tell me you've made up your own definition of "unhinged" without saying "I don't know what words mean."


Unhinged: highly disturbed, unstable, or distraught


Yep this perfectly describes the private messages you quoted.
Cal88
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Please stay on topic, stop repeating yourself and engaging in petty back and forth squabbles.

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The story about Trump yelling at Netanyahu to stop bombing Lebanon is similar to Reagan telling the PM of Israel to stop bombing Lebanon in 1982.
But at least Reagan called it a holocaust and pointed out a picture of a 7 mo old baby with its arms blown off as the symbol of Israel's actions.
Trump doesn't have the courage to do that even though today there are countless pictures and videos of babies and children blown to pieces and dead from Israel's bombs in Gaza and now Lebanon.
Holocaust? Genocide?
Yes.
Intentional and accurate.
And it seems there is no end in sight no matter how many news stories are planted of the U.S. President yelling at the Israeli Prime Minister.
It's just a play call used over and over again to once again fool the American people that their leader is being responsible and not cold hearted.
When in reality, every American President and American elected leaders know the bombs keep falling and the killing never ends, while the campaign contribution checks keep getting cashed.

BearlySane88
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It's interesting that you didn't say this to any of muckie's posts in this thread.
dajo9
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Muckieeye said:

All fine examples of MAGA projection and deflection. Thanks for sharing your playbook.


I had a poster DM me a threat to beat me up. You think I cared?
BearlySane88
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dajo9 said:

Muckieeye said:

All fine examples of MAGA projection and deflection. Thanks for sharing your playbook.


I had a poster DM me a threat to beat me up. You think I cared?


Yes, considering you're still posting about wanting an apology from the mods.

Regardless of whether you cared or not, violent threats shouldn't be happening here.
dajo9
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BearlySane88 said:

dajo9 said:

Muckieeye said:

All fine examples of MAGA projection and deflection. Thanks for sharing your playbook.


I had a poster DM me a threat to beat me up. You think I cared?


Yes, considering you're still posting about wanting an apology from the mods.

Regardless of whether you cared or not, violent threats shouldn't be happening here.


Completely different. I consider one of those issues to be an abuse of power.

And of course violent threats shouldn't happen here but my response was to laugh at the guy knowing he had nothing left to argue with except physical violence.
BearlySane88
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dajo9 said:

BearlySane88 said:

dajo9 said:

Muckieeye said:

All fine examples of MAGA projection and deflection. Thanks for sharing your playbook.


I had a poster DM me a threat to beat me up. You think I cared?


Yes, considering you're still posting about wanting an apology from the mods.

Regardless of whether you cared or not, violent threats shouldn't be happening here.


Completely different. I consider one of those issues to be an abuse of power.

And of course violent threats shouldn't happen here but my response was to laugh at the guy knowing he had nothing left to argue with except physical violence.


Valid response to a message like that
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dajo9 said:

I had a poster DM me a threat to beat me up. You think I cared?

whodat ugly?
dajo9
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smh said:

dajo9 said:

I had a poster DM me a threat to beat me up. You think I cared?

whodat ugly?

htp
 
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